Jita Park Speakers Corner

It's not that far fetched to think that Trebor is using alts to actually play on, so that he can go about his business without the additional burden of being CSM distracting from that. Additionally even the things that you or me consider horrible, do still need a representative. I think mining is absolutely horrible, incursions and PvE in general is laughably easy and industry in general is mindnumbingly boring, yet it is best for the overal good of the game to have someone advocating the improvements as well as the present state of those things so that things don't get even worse and that other things regarding them can be improved.

Simply put, as long as the main goal is the overal good of the game in whole, every single playstyle should be represented in the CSM one way or another. And no, I'm in no way supporting Trebor, just countering your somewhat silly arguments.

How are we supposed to vote representatives for our playstyle if the CSM members say one thing and do another, for example a supposed "pvp" representative supporting pvp-free Hellokitty playstyle?

That's another argument entirely, and a valid one at that. Stanziels wasn't.

I thought it was more likely he was in the "i want to run for CSM, but couldn't fit in the seat to iceland" camp. Not that there's anything wrong with pasty 400 pound men who spend 12 hours a day writing about an online spaceship underwater simulator game.

I already posted my magnum opus exposing your rampant hipocrisy here which is sad because this is an even better place for it, but I'm not copying it over.

I'll mention some highlights though:

You yourself stated recently High-sec needs to be safer in your post regarding War-decs being broken. You suggested limiting decs based on corp size and, more importantly, allowing corps to bribe concord to avoid war-decs. Allowing Corps to bribe concord to avoid War-decs IS the removal of non-consensual wardecs. If you choose not to pay the isk, you are consenting. When you add an opt-out option to something, it is no longer non-consensual.

So, when you suggest effectively the same thing, it's fine. When Trebor throws it out as devil's advocate he's the anti-christ. You don't have the courage to stand up for your ideas, so it's "Hey, I want to make high-sec safer... BUT I'M NOT TREBOR HE'S THE REAL CAREBEAR GUYS! **** HIM, RIGHT GUYS!?!? HARDCORE PVPERS UNITE!" You don't want to lose that hardcore pvper cred so you paint Trebor as worse then parade him around.

Your ideas don't get better or worse based on other people's ideas being better or worse. They are good or they are bad. Stand up for them, don't make a straw man and burn it to make yourself look better. Stick by the courage of your convictions.

You know like, when you called EvE Uni a pox on the game because they didn't like being under a constant War-dec. Are they still a pox on the game even though you now feel High-sec should be safer, I wonder?

The fact is, War-decs are completely screwed at the moment, and in view of that, I don't think "Nuke the whole thing and start over" is a particularly outrageous idea.

Anyway, enough of that. Onto your more recent hilarity.

First, you suspect Trebor is using Dirt Nap Squad as some of kind false front for legitimacy but he doesn't really play the game. Well, Trebor has 19 kills this month and is fairly active on our coms. Now you might scoff at only 19 kills but when you check his kills you see he was flying an Oneiros, and we know Logis get the short end of the stick when it comes to killmails.

A bigger question is why in the name of hell Trebor would want to be on the CSM again if he doesn't actually play the game?

The CSM takes up a lot of time, I believe Trebor estimated about 20 hours a week, although I don't remember exactly how much he said, I might be off there on the exact amount. Why would anyone put the time and effort into a game they don't even play? No other incumbent is running again because being on the CSM is a lot of work.

So, what exactly is Trebor's nefarious plan here? I'm missing the endgame in this conspiracy. Trebor actually doesn't care about EvE and doesn't play so he hatched a plot to give himself a ton of work in the same said game he doesn't care about and doesn't play? I'm pretty sure Trebor could find much easier and less convoluted ways to throw away his free time. Like making a blog and spending most of it personally attacking the CSM candidate of his choice while the rest of the universe rolls their collective eyes.

Anyway, even with his time stretched thin, Trebor has done quite a bit to reach out and be approachable. He's always on our coms, he listens to people, actively solicits our feedback (for example his work on gathering feedback on Black Ops change preferences) and has even just recently helped a member of our corp who had his isk wrongly seized by overzealous CCP security.

The fact of the matter is Trebor works his ass off, both in the CSM and in game, and trying to point to killboards as sign he doesn't is grasping at straws. You are trying to prove a point that doesn't actually exist.

Now, I'm not even going to talk about your rants on Trebor's opinions because you just misrepresent them. If Trebor says he believes A and you insist he believes B there is little point in debate. You see, a debate is when one person gives their side, and another person gives their side. It is not when one person tells another person what they believe, then goes on to explain why those beliefs are wrong. That's called making a straw man argument and not particularly productive.

Instead I will say it is an excellent idea to listen to both those interviews. I'll even link them to make it easy:

Crossing Zebras
Trebor and Monk debate

If you listen to both of those with an open mind, you'll see Trebor is not trying to destroy EvE as we know it and turn it into WoW.

Do you really almost every active member of the CSM7 would be endorsing Trebor if his goal for re-election was to remove High-sec PvP? If that's what he actually believed no one would endorse him nor would I or anyone else support him. Trebor even said in his debate with Monk that he felt Monk would make a great CSM candidate and Monk is running to represent High-sec griefers!

A vote for Trebor is not a vote for candyland Online. It's a vote for a stronger CSM with an experienced voice that is going to make the whole CSM better. It's a vote to have an experienced CSM delegate on a CSM class that is going to otherwise be entirely new. It's a vote to keep the relationship between CCP and the CSM going strong instead of having to be rebuilt with entirely new delegates.

Those are the reasons you and everyone else should have Trebor someone on their ballot.

I don't know where you do business, but where I'm from you're wrong. Two things come immediately to mind: first, brainstorming, second, thinking outside the box.
In the US there is a quiet, behind-the-scenes, unknown company which is responsible for many of the ingenuities products have had in the past decade. I don't remember their name. Point being, part of their process involves accepting any idea, no matter how crazy or seemingly unworkable, because from those untenable ideas spring useful innovative ideas.

Now, should CCP expend thousands of man-hours working on ideas they already know they aren't going to implement? No. But to disregard the ideas just off the cuff without investigating what new and/or useful ideas might be buried in the muck....foolish IMHO.

Yes, let's all support the loudest neo-n a z i in EVE, Fon Revedhort.

More evidence. Trebor is bald. Poe has a full head of healthy hair. Bald people are, of course, evil. People with hair, good.

Hell why not we let Americans vote and they had a leader still wanted for war crimes.
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/10/20/267857/bush-blair-wanted-for-war-crimes-boyle/