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Mens Reppola of Ishukone Should Be Running The State and not Heth

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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#21 - 2013-03-26 04:10:43 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Just ignore Kim. She's proven again and again through her overheated rhetoric that she's nothing more than a genocidal sociopath and xenophobe who would love nothing better than to wipe out the Gallente and Matari. It is indeed her kind of hardcore crazy that's brought the State to its current position not, the Federation.


Sadly, it is that belief -- that ignoring a problem will make it disappear -- which has led us to this state. Unlike the CEP, I will not stand idly by while our most sacred beliefs are torn asunder by pretenders, populists, and ideologues.

And I do not need a Matari to tell me what to do. Your kind have much to answer for when it comes to the blood that has been shed over these last five years. You opened the box, and what was inside has consumed the better natures of all four nations.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-26 05:12:43 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

Ah, of course, it is Ishukone which shows weakness by acknowledging reality, not Tibus Heth and his Provists that have bled the State dry for five years with an ill-advised war, and a reckless provocation of the Federation that resulted in an embarrassing defeat for his highest-profile bootlicker in the Caldari Navy, one which cost countless thousands of lives not only in space but also on the planet below.

I would prefer to stay with those, who seek the truth rather than with those, who found it. Why this "reality" acknowledged by Ishukone, who has been black sheep in the State for several years, hasn't been accepted by majority of corporations? Maybe something is really wrong with this reality? Or maybe it is just a poor excuse for Ishukone to act against the State, rather than unite with the State and act as One to fulfill national goals?
As for the events, happened above Caldari Prime, it wasn't our provocation at all. Caldari officers and Admiral herself acted as it was required to stop the conflict by any means necessary. The provocation itself was mastered by gallenteans, who sent troops on Home Planet, forcing the fleet to take action. And when the fleet was in most vulnerable position for the planet, they strike.

Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

The wisdom of the Provists, here for all to see. Our problem at Caldari Prime was not that the Navy was under the command of an old woman who had sacrificed her loyalty to the CEP to instead cling to relevance as the ***** of a loader operator, or placing thugs and untrained legbreakers in charge of keeping the peace on our homeworld, it was that we were not brutal enough to the Gallente. Sure if we had simply bathed Caldari Prime in even more blood, they would have come around to our way of thinking! We must burn the face of our world to save it!

What is this I don't even

Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

Your kind disgust me, and the lot of you are a joke that has long since worn out its welcome. It is time for the Caldari to abandon this dangerous experiment with centralized government and populist insanity that has poisoned our State for these last five years.

Are you out of arguments already to start personal attacks? I will give you a hint: thinking and analyzing the situation is a greater merit, than mindlessly raging and insulting those, who do not accept your "ultimate truth".

Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
If you want to know who has "stained the dignity" of the Caldari State, look at yourself.

Instead of looking at myself, I'd better look at you. At first, I feel disgust. Then I just laugh.

Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
It is the Hethists and their madness that have twisted the State into a shadow of its former self. Only by ending their reign and returning to our principles can we be saved.

So far "hethists" brought the State to glory, raised it from knees and made to stand tall against gallentean threats. In both victories and defeat State has shown dignity and resolve to stand no matter what.
But, of course, I am not going to stop you from kissing some gallentes and licking their boots, if you think this will bring salvation to you. Until you really start to hurt the State, this is not of my concern, really.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-26 05:21:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Until you really start to hurt the State, this is not of my concern, really.


Be careful what you ask for. You may just get it.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-03-26 05:36:24 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Until you really start to hurt the State, this is not of my concern, really.


Be careful what you ask for. You may just get it.

The State has numerous enemies, and the Federation itself train many of capsuleers to throw at us. Getting one more enemy won't shift the balance in any way.

Although I would like to avoid it, since it is my job to get rid of enemies, and if I can get rid of them without actually firing a weapon, it is a greater victory than simply destroying them.

Unfortunately, taking into account her attitude, I doubt that just words will change anything. If it is her initial plan, it will be inevitable.

Only the future will reveal what will happen.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-03-26 07:05:45 UTC
You were there, Kim-haani, we haven't EARNED pride. Getting aid through to the civilians on Caldari Prime is our job and if asking the Federation for permission to pass through their territory is what it takes to get those supplies through, then that is what we should be prepared to do.

I've heard you give impassioned speeches about doing "whatever it takes to get the job done" in the past - and agreed with you! Well now you know that "Whatever it takes" isn't always valour. Sometimes it's humility.

Do you have what it takes to get this job done? I do.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2013-03-26 07:06:28 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

I would prefer to stay with those, who seek the truth rather than with those, who found it. Why this "reality" acknowledged by Ishukone, who has been black sheep in the State for several years, hasn't been accepted by majority of corporations? Maybe something is really wrong with this reality? Or maybe it is just a poor excuse for Ishukone to act against the State, rather than unite with the State and act as One to fulfill national goals?

You seem to overestimate the homogeneity of the State. Ishukone is not some Black Sheep. There have long been three philosophical power blocs in the State (Practicals, Liberals and Patriots), and Hyasyoda has come out to support Ishukone's actions. What has happened, though, is Heth has installed his minions into the megacorporations to bully them into compliance, and it seems only Ishukone has the balls not to take that kind of crap, by openly defying the man who would try to be a dictator.

Beyond that, Ishukone is not acting against the state, by trying to AID Caldari. You don;t seem to understand that not fighting is not the same thing as surrender.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-26 07:40:05 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You were there, Kim-haani, we haven't EARNED pride.

But we haven't lost it either.
We stood there to fight for what is matter.
And they have payed for what they did.
Only a couple of their ships have survived this.
It was one of their supercarriers that run from the battle when started to break, leaving other carriers and dreadnoughts behind to be slaughtered. Usual gallentean behaviour.

And now Ishukone by their actions betray all those, who died standing in defense of Caldari Prime. We didn't bow to gallente. Ishukone did.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Getting aid through to the civilians on Caldari Prime is our job and if asking the Federation for permission to pass through their territory is what it takes to get those supplies through, then that is what we should be prepared to do.

I've heard you give impassioned speeches about doing "whatever it takes to get the job done" in the past - and agreed with you! Well now you know that "Whatever it takes" isn't always valour. Sometimes it's humility.

Do you have what it takes to get this job done? I do.

As I stated before, there are numerous ways to get this job done. Sometimes we have to choose between what is easy and what is right.

Xindi Kraid wrote:
What has happened, though, is Heth has installed his minions into the megacorporations to bully them into compliance, and it seems only Ishukone has the balls not to take that kind of crap, by openly defying the man who would try to be a dictator.

Even if it was true, I would always prefer to get a dictator who will care about welfare and pride of the nation, than eating Ishukone crap.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-03-26 07:58:23 UTC
Maybe I'm confused or find it illogical that a living Caldari citizen would be better than a dead one.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2013-03-26 08:07:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
I'm sorry Kim, but I believe your world-view is far too limited and you lack the vision to understand.

Heth doesn't seem to care about the welfare of the State, and pride is worthless to the dead.
Ishukone does care, but you can't seem to allow yourself to accept that truth because the only thing you understand is attack, attack, attack.

Have you heard the saying, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?
Your only asset is a hammer named combat.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-26 09:41:12 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I'm sorry Kim, but I believe your world-view is far too limited and you lack the vision to understand.

Heth doesn't seem to care about the welfare of the State, and pride is worthless to the dead.
Ishukone does care, but you can't seem to allow yourself to accept that truth because the only thing you understand is attack, attack, attack.

You are talking about me like I am your daughter, but I definitely not. You have no idea who I am, what I understand and how I view the world.

By making such assumptions you simply show yourself as being completely incompetent in discussions, and are merely wasting my time.

On other hand, this kind of talk in person could lead to immediate fist-to-nose action, and if it is what you seek, you can better come to my quarters in station, when I am not in flight.
However, I want to warn you. If you think that heavy complexion is your advantage, it is not.

Xindi Kraid wrote:
Have you heard the saying, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?
Your only asset is a hammer named combat.

For all my life I was being trained and prepared for combat. What do you expect me to be? A housemaid?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

chaosjj
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-03-26 10:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosjj
I believe that Ishukone's actions represent the best what the Caldari could have done in this situation, They have put their pride aside and chose to make a peace offering. Caldari prime is our home world, yes, but think about what the planet looks like after all of this, the city's are in ruin, a large chunk of the environment was destroyed when the Shiigeru slammed into it, so what will more conflict achieve? more destruction and death, nothing more. We should focus our energy on our own space, its not like we don't have our own issue's to deal with back home, for example; a certain dictator that is slowly choking his own people.
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#32 - 2013-03-26 10:15:53 UTC
While it is true that life is a struggle pilot Kim, that struggle does not always take the form of combat.
Often the struggle is to put aside anger and combat and in their place use tact and diplomacy.
The current situation on the homeworld of the Deteis and Civire people is one situation where your current attitude is more of a hindrance than an asset.

We Return

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-03-26 11:06:20 UTC
Struggle.

A word that could summarize the entire history of the Caldari.

It saddens me to see it used as justification for letting our pride and stubbornness hinder us from pursuing exactly what struggle has taught us as a people; sacrificing for the good of the many.

The people on Caldari Prime, Gallente, Caldari and everyone in between, are now and will be struggling for some time in light of recent events. A struggle that we put upon them. In times like this, we must set aside those attributes that will not serve us toward the greater goal; those of pride, stubbornness, aggression. We must instead recognize that our duty demands of us that we sacrifice to serve the good of the many.

Can we set aside pride and take up humility? Can we sacrifice stubbornness and arm ourselves with integrity?

I suggest to you it is not something we could do but something we must do.

~Malcolm Khross

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-03-26 11:44:14 UTC
chaosjj wrote:
I believe that Ishukone's actions represent the best what the Caldari could have done in this situation, They have put their pride aside and chose to make a peace offering.

It is quite interesting what they achieved and acted before other corporations. However the way the did it is a disgrace and stains reputation of the State, since the Ishukone is still part of the State.

And I really would prefer to see Ishukone returning into the fold and not acting against interests of the State. I am not going to give any advice to Ishukone, since I am not experienced in corporate politics and the way corporations are managed. But I think that replacing the CEO with a proper provist could be a viable solution.

chaosjj wrote:
Caldari prime is our home world, yes, but think about what the planet looks like after all of this, the city's are in ruin, a large chunk of the environment was destroyed when the Shiigeru slammed into it, so what will more conflict achieve? more destruction and death, nothing more.

It is all gallente fault. They still want to take what belongs to us. And we are fighting for what is ours. Just giving them what they want, when they show you gun, is disgrace. We have the gun too and we won't allow them to rob us.

I agree with you, that this conflict must be put to the end as soon as possible. We must force gallente rats back to their holes and slam their doors, so they will never get out to start conflict again. But first we should get rid from all hindrances, all these traitors who are trying to stop us from fighting and reaching our goal, that is safety and welfare of all Caldari in our cluster!

chaosjj wrote:
We should focus our energy on our own space, its not like we don't have our own issue's to deal with back home, for example; a certain dictator that is slowly choking his own people.

By attaching your words to the topic, I think that the threat of a dictator is not viable, since Mens Reppola didn't show enough pride and determination to usurp the power.

And I agree, that we should focus our energy on our space. All 'citizens' who dare to question politics of the State and our honorable Executor, should be placed under questioning themselves. And those, who are actually acting against provists, calls to others to act against provists, or create any hindrance to the State must be put under detention.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2013-03-26 17:25:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Xindi Kraid wrote:
Have you heard the saying, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?
Your only asset is a hammer named combat.

For all my life I was being trained and prepared for combat. What do you expect me to be? A housemaid?

Yes, but apparently whoever was training and preparing you neglected to teach you any other useful skills.
chaosjj
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-03-26 18:00:34 UTC
Tibus Heth is an unstable fool miss Kim, he desided to place his personal vendetta ahead of the interests of his people. every "leader" that does this should be tossed out of the nearest airlock. Don't be mistaken, i by no means approve the Gallente attack, but right now, we need to aid the innocent people on Caldari prime.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-03-26 18:53:26 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Xindi Kraid wrote:
Have you heard the saying, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?
Your only asset is a hammer named combat.

For all my life I was being trained and prepared for combat. What do you expect me to be? A housemaid?

Yes, but apparently whoever was training and preparing you neglected to teach you any other useful skills.

Well, it looks like those, who taught you, forgot to teach you manners. I believe that forcing you to lick sole of provist boots can cure that attitude, at least for a bit.

chaosjj wrote:
Tibus Heth is an unstable fool miss Kim, he desided to place his personal vendetta ahead of the interests of his people. every "leader" that does this should be tossed out of the nearest airlock. Don't be mistaken, i by no means approve the Gallente attack, but right now, we need to aid the innocent people on Caldari prime.

Tibus Heth is greatest hero and best thing that happened to the State in our time. Calling someone a fool when you don't understand his ideas, doesn't make a credit for you.

We, in the State, value not only our own honor, but also honor of our superiors. Even if you don't understand our ways, it doesn't give you reason to call our leader a fool, Mr.chaosjj. This behavior you showed is hostile towards the State and every Caldari.

So, please, I ask you, do not make this mistake again.

Or else.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-03-26 19:16:35 UTC
It's beautiful. Gallente and Caldari capsuleers, Amarrian and Minmatar loyalists, all speaking with one voice, one purpose, one message. All it took was a complete idiot with a proverbial shovel the size of a solar system and no concept of the directions left, right, forward, backward or up.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#39 - 2013-03-26 19:54:57 UTC
There is no honor in supporting a superior who makes poor decisions that threaten the good of society. Something the Provists would be wise to remember, if they were smart enough to figure out their misadventures will end up dooming us all in the end.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-03-26 21:03:09 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

So, please, I ask you, do not make this mistake again.

Or else.


Your leader is a fool.

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