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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2013-03-26 08:31:43 UTC
So I understand Tengus utilizing hybrid weaponry, especially railguns are somewhat lackluster.

I was wondering, though, where the shortcomings lie. Is a gun Tengu weak even amongst other Hybrid boats, or is the weakness more in that the HML and HAM tengu utilizing the Accelerated Ejection bay is just better than anything else you can put on the Tengu?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-03-26 09:07:17 UTC
Medium rails are horrible, regardless of the ship.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-26 09:56:17 UTC
Blaster tengus are awesome.
Rails, not so much.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-26 10:38:48 UTC
the missile sub gives you a 100% total bonus to kinetic missile damage. i do not know of any other subsystem or bonus that high (except on marauders, sansha and other undergunned ships)

I should buy an Ishtar.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-26 13:36:07 UTC
Generally you want to stick with missiles. Blasters can be used very effectively if you know what you are doing, but rails are sort of left with no real niche.

Medium rails aren't necessarily bad, there are just better options out there instead of them.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-26 18:11:53 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Blaster tengus are awesome.
Rails, not so much.


Everyone should fly those blaster Tengus Lol (not)

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2013-03-26 18:21:07 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Generally you want to stick with missiles. Blasters can be used very effectively if you know what you are doing, but rails are sort of left with no real niche.

Medium rails aren't necessarily bad, there are just better options out there instead of them.

Depressing, as I am trained on both.

I do know blasters were made a bit better, and that medium rails are still lackluster, but other ships, some caldari more gallente, do just fine. That's why I was wondering how the performance of a Tengu with a Magenetic Infusion Basin compares to those ships rather than the other Tengu subsystems. The Accelerated Ejection Bay marginalizes all of the other offensive subsystems (except maybe the Covert Reconfiguration, for certain roles), by being overbonused
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-26 19:24:16 UTC
While we're on the tengu subject (and I dont want to start a thread) how well does an ECM tengu work? I want to have a second tengy, for pvp. I was looking at the ecm subs + the interdiction nullifier, and have a friend deal dps.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-03-26 19:27:36 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
While we're on the tengu subject (and I dont want to start a thread) how well does an ECM tengu work? I want to have a second tengy, for pvp. I was looking at the ecm subs + the interdiction nullifier, and have a friend deal dps.


ECM Tengu works about as good as a Logi Tengu
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-26 19:34:57 UTC
Eve Amada wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
While we're on the tengu subject (and I dont want to start a thread) how well does an ECM tengu work? I want to have a second tengy, for pvp. I was looking at the ecm subs + the interdiction nullifier, and have a friend deal dps.


ECM Tengu works about as good as a Logi Tengu

and how well is that.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#11 - 2013-03-27 06:47:34 UTC
Ignoring price, the blaster Tengu is a decent ship. Reasonable dps (especially once you look at real-world dps and not EFT numbers), impressive range for a blaster ship, and a solid tank. However, price is the fatal problem. Why pay 500 million ISK and lose SP every time you lose one when you can just get a blaster Brutix and do the job almost as well for a tiny fraction of the price?
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-03-27 09:28:15 UTC
Rails, blasters on Tengu...Hail Blasphemy!Lol
Mister Tuggles
Heretic Army
Sedition.
#13 - 2013-03-27 09:43:34 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Generally you want to stick with missiles. Blasters can be used very effectively if you know what you are doing, but rails are sort of left with no real niche.

Medium rails aren't necessarily bad, there are just better options out there instead of them.

Depressing, as I am trained on both.

I do know blasters were made a bit better, and that medium rails are still lackluster, but other ships, some caldari more gallente, do just fine. That's why I was wondering how the performance of a Tengu with a Magenetic Infusion Basin compares to those ships rather than the other Tengu subsystems. The Accelerated Ejection Bay marginalizes all of the other offensive subsystems (except maybe the Covert Reconfiguration, for certain roles), by being overbonused



I wouldn't be too upset about rails being "bad" right now. In Eve, everything gets its time to shine at one point or another. Just think of it as an investment for future goodness.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#14 - 2013-03-27 11:23:58 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
Eve Amada wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
While we're on the tengu subject (and I dont want to start a thread) how well does an ECM tengu work? I want to have a second tengy, for pvp. I was looking at the ecm subs + the interdiction nullifier, and have a friend deal dps.


ECM Tengu works about as good as a Logi Tengu

and how well is that.


Not 100% sure, but I think ECM Armor Tengus are actually used in WH fights.
zatazon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-27 23:09:33 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
Eve Amada wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
While we're on the tengu subject (and I dont want to start a thread) how well does an ECM tengu work? I want to have a second tengy, for pvp. I was looking at the ecm subs + the interdiction nullifier, and have a friend deal dps.


ECM Tengu works about as good as a Logi Tengu

and how well is that.


I can't really compare to the Logi Tengu, as the only logi Tengus ive used are spider tanks, which I don't think those count. As for the ECM Tengu, with near max skills in ECM you can mess stuff up in small fleet fights. All around they are not as good at ECM as a Falcon, but where they lose a little bit of ECM power they gain it in more DPS.

So the summary, yes you can use them and they are used, but typically in specialized fleets/WHs.
Ckra Trald
Ckra Trald Corporation
#16 - 2013-03-28 01:40:18 UTC
blaster tengu needs more effort than f1 spam

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2013-03-28 04:11:54 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
Eve Amada wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
While we're on the tengu subject (and I dont want to start a thread) how well does an ECM tengu work? I want to have a second tengy, for pvp. I was looking at the ecm subs + the interdiction nullifier, and have a friend deal dps.


ECM Tengu works about as good as a Logi Tengu

and how well is that.


Not 100% sure, but I think ECM Armor Tengus are actually used in WH fights.

Well my corp has an armor ECM Tengu fit at least.
Can't say I've ever used a logi tengu before.
Kenerian
Tri-gun
#18 - 2013-03-29 23:09:09 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
So I understand Tengus utilizing hybrid weaponry, especially railguns are somewhat lackluster.

I was wondering, though, where the shortcomings lie. Is a gun Tengu weak even amongst other Hybrid boats, or is the weakness more in that the HML and HAM tengu utilizing the Accelerated Ejection bay is just better than anything else you can put on the Tengu?




I like your style.


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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#19 - 2013-04-03 01:20:56 UTC
Kenerian wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
So I understand Tengus utilizing hybrid weaponry, especially railguns are somewhat lackluster.

I was wondering, though, where the shortcomings lie. Is a gun Tengu weak even amongst other Hybrid boats, or is the weakness more in that the HML and HAM tengu utilizing the Accelerated Ejection bay is just better than anything else you can put on the Tengu?




I like your style.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yqkjO7k_E


What did I just watch...
Excellent PVP footage though, ASB Blengu ftw

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#20 - 2013-04-03 01:42:11 UTC
Rail tengus...for when warping within 100km is still too close.