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New player, question about salvaging

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Darkstar01
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-26 03:29:14 UTC
Is it worth it, or should I just move on and concentrate on killing stuff?
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-26 03:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Headerman
I have found that the only missions worth salvaging are L4's, and when only against factions like Gallente/Amarr/Caldari etc. The tags you get in the loot with them are very good value.

Also, some Drone L4 missions are worth salvaging too, as their compounds can sell for quite a bit. For example, a drone BS may give between 20 and 40 Plush Compound, worth about 24,000 isk each. Kill 10-20 BSs and you have a few extra mil just from that alone.

But for L1 to L3 missions? I would not bother salvaging. just go on to the next one.

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Darkstar01
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-10-26 03:50:33 UTC
Headerman wrote:
I have found that the only missions worth salvaging are L4's, and when only against factions like Gallente/Amarr/Caldari etc. The tags you get in the loot with them are very good value.

Also, some Drone L4 missions are worth salvaging too, as their compounds can sell for quite a bit. For example, a drone BS may give between 20 and 40 Plush Compound, worth about 24,000 isk each. Kill 10-20 BSs and you have a few extra mil just from that alone.

But for L1 to L3 missions? I would not bother salvaging. just go on to the next one.


Thanks. Also I noticed that the price for one particular salvage "Alloyed Tritanium Bar" is higher than the others. What type of mission can do to salvage those? And how come the price is so much higher than the other ones?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2011-10-26 04:02:58 UTC
Darkstar01 wrote:
Thanks. Also I noticed that the price for one particular salvage "Alloyed Tritanium Bar" is higher than the others. What type of mission can do to salvage those? And how come the price is so much higher than the other ones?


Angels drop them. Not sure what else.

They're used in some high-demand blueprints. Armor plates are similar. Neither drops in large quantity so demand keeps price up.
Darkstar01
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-10-26 04:07:11 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Darkstar01 wrote:
Thanks. Also I noticed that the price for one particular salvage "Alloyed Tritanium Bar" is higher than the others. What type of mission can do to salvage those? And how come the price is so much higher than the other ones?


Angels drop them. Not sure what else.

They're used in some high-demand blueprints. Armor plates are similar. Neither drops in large quantity so demand keeps price up.


Thanks, how about the Armor Plates, who drops those?
Goose99
#6 - 2011-10-26 04:10:11 UTC
Darkstar01 wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Darkstar01 wrote:
Thanks. Also I noticed that the price for one particular salvage "Alloyed Tritanium Bar" is higher than the others. What type of mission can do to salvage those? And how come the price is so much higher than the other ones?


Angels drop them. Not sure what else.

They're used in some high-demand blueprints. Armor plates are similar. Neither drops in large quantity so demand keeps price up.


Thanks, how about the Armor Plates, who drops those?


Angle rats. and other races in smaller quantity, drop titanium bars.
Blood/Sansha rats, and Serpentis rats in smaller quantity, drop armor plates.
Wongdai
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-26 04:55:30 UTC
I tend to salvage whilst I loot whilst I shoot, so it doesn't really take that much longer. Over time the salvage starts to add up and can be worthwhile, but I certainly don't focus on it much.
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#8 - 2011-10-26 11:12:56 UTC
You can sum it up this way:
For T1 Salvage Armor Plates (~300K), Tritanium Bars (~100K) and Tripped Power Circuits (~70K) are worth it.

All Wrecks can drop TPC
Angels and Drones drop Plates and Bars
The only Wrecks that can drop neither are Guristas

Therefore: Avoid Guristas, Salvage Drones and Angels.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#9 - 2011-10-26 13:38:05 UTC
IMO, the best salvage and loot is other people's salvage and loot. Lol

All joking aside, I believe your best ISKies is in Bloods/Sanshas and then Angels. The Amarr NPCs drop a far higher rate of armor plates plus, with Bloods, you get the occasional Unstable Neut. Angels will throw a PWNAGE every now and then as well. Drone loot and salvage is overrated IMHO, but mission bears get pretty upset when we steal it (for some reason). So many of the Drone BS have no compounds but rather the worthless Elite Drone AI thingy; annoying.

Over the past 18 months or so, Trit Bars and Armor have fallen a good bit in price, to the point where Guristas salvage is almost "good". Actually, Guristas drop a fair number of Ward Consoles which are a critical bit for medium Shield Rigs (Core Defense and Purger). Ward Consoles haven't caught up with Trit Bars yet, but I could see that happening at some point.

As to the OP's original question, blitzing, which is what you're considering, is more profitable once you've found a good LP store and have a high end ship to run missions at a very fast clip.

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2011-10-26 14:23:54 UTC
As a younger player, the salvage will actually make you a decent bit of side income. A lot of these players are old vets and a few M here and there doesn't matter as much, but as a younger player every M counts. Due to your low DPS skills, you won't be able to blitz missions horribly fast, you'll end up making faster income by salvaging than you do by killing until your DPS skills are up to snuff.

Go ahead and salvage, it's ISK just floating out there for you to claim and you don't need many skill points to be able to claim it.
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-26 14:30:59 UTC
While op did ask about salvage only, one should note that salvaging and not looting is stupid, thus i believe both rat loot and salvage should be taken into account.
Gurista will still suck though Lol
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-10-26 15:06:21 UTC
Get a dedicated salvage boat. Noctis is great, but pricy, with long range fast tractors, a decent cargo hold and able to almost perma run 4 tractors, 4 salvagers and your MWD. 700m/s isn't great for them, but it really beats slowboating around.

A cheaper option is a destroyer, with a MWD/AB and salvagers. If you can afford the tractor beams, get them as they'll cut down retrieval time.

Bookmark a wreck in each pocket, then hand in the mission. it'll mean you can warp between them, rather than using the gates. Depending on how long each mission is taking you, think about doing a few between salvage runs (if they're in the same/nearby system)


It's not great income. Blitzing will normally beat it. But it's easy money, with no risk at all (except people ganking you)

And if you're an indy, it's a source of salvaged materials, for making rigs. Some are difficult to acquire on the market, as they're worth so little individually that people don't regularly sell them. (Bursty, when they drop a bunch at once, to make a few thousand)
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-26 15:27:39 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Get a dedicated salvage boat. Noctis is great, but pricy, with long range fast tractors, a decent cargo hold and able to almost perma run 4 tractors, 4 salvagers and your MWD. 700m/s isn't great for them, but it really beats slowboating around.




5 tractor / 3 salv or 6 tractor / 2 salv split depending on salv skills and rigs is a better idea, with the ability to lock 12 targets so you need targetting skills too. Otherwise you aren't taking full advantage of it, 4 salvagers is overkill and 4 tractors is not enough.
RGB Dragon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-26 15:34:31 UTC
Yes you definitely want to salvage as a new player. It will help you to boost your income as you are starting out, plus it helps you to learn about more facets of the game.

Starting out, shoot for a destroyer ship for salvaging. You can load it up with a lot of tractors and salvagers, put a MWD and a capacitor recharger in the mids, and then expanded cargoholds in the lows. Don't forget to put salvaging rigs in as well.

Run 2-3 missions, then go back to get the Destroyer and salvage all three at once.

It'll be well worth your time.
Ardovinus
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#15 - 2011-10-26 17:24:50 UTC
Pro Synergy is a dedicated salvage/loot corp. We provide professional looting and salvaging services for lvl 4 missions in and around Osmon.


If you're interested, send me an Evemail, or join "The Cleanup Crew" public channel.

Good luck and have fun!

Ardovinus
Red-headed stepchild of the Minmatar Republic
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#16 - 2011-10-26 17:29:12 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Get a dedicated salvage boat. Noctis is great, but pricy, with long range fast tractors, a decent cargo hold and able to almost perma run 4 tractors, 4 salvagers and your MWD. 700m/s isn't great for them, but it really beats slowboating around.




5 tractor / 3 salv or 6 tractor / 2 salv split depending on salv skills and rigs is a better idea, with the ability to lock 12 targets so you need targetting skills too. Otherwise you aren't taking full advantage of it, 4 salvagers is overkill and 4 tractors is not enough.

Indeed, I run a 6 TB / 2 Salv II combo, with three salvage rigs. The beams can barely keep up bringing the cans within range of the salvagers. I used to run a cuckie-cutter salvacane, but the Noctis is so much better.

Cheers,
Arrs
James5955
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-27 04:43:53 UTC
Not sure how much people make each hour blitzing level 4's but I used to do L4's like a madman and would loot everything I could. For a long time I wasn't salvaging but I figured since I usually have all the wrecks near me I may as well train into it... Only took 2 days, the Noctis pretty cheap, around 70 mil fitted IIRC. Made that money back in no time because salvaging boosted my isk/hour by a significant amount. Not only was I getting money from the salvage loot but it cut down the amount of time I spent at each mission due to looting faster, the Noctis is epic.

TLDR: If you're not blitzing it is a very good idea to salvage.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#18 - 2011-10-27 04:56:08 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Get a dedicated salvage boat. Noctis is great, but pricy, with long range fast tractors, a decent cargo hold and able to almost perma run 4 tractors, 4 salvagers and your MWD. 700m/s isn't great for them, but it really beats slowboating around.




5 tractor / 3 salv or 6 tractor / 2 salv split depending on salv skills and rigs is a better idea, with the ability to lock 12 targets so you need targetting skills too. Otherwise you aren't taking full advantage of it, 4 salvagers is overkill and 4 tractors is not enough.



It's all a matter of opinion, I run 4+4 and only lock up 8 targets (can't be bothered training multitasking up any more) I lock 8 up, tractor 4, when they're in range, tractors off and salvagers on and start tractoring the other 4, by the time the 1st 4 get salvaged the others are in range, lock up another 4 and rinse and repeat. I like my way, you like your way, others will run different ways, but people will find their own balance.

I find you very rarely need to MWD, depends on your skill level for the noctis, as the tractor beam range is up to 80km, and there's not that many missions where you end up with wrecks that far away.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-27 05:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
I have an alt that salvages after the corp I am in runs missions, my personal noctis layout is 6 tractors and 2 t2 salvagers mids are 10mn afterburner ii lows are 3 expanded cargohold ii with a gsc in the cargohold and 3 medium salvage tackle I rigs targeting to level 5 and ore industrial to level 4 I single cycle most battle ships and can even single cycle a lot of sleeper wrecks. I can make around 15mill after salvaging 2 level 4 missions, the only downside is that I salvage the whole mission faster than the team that runs the site.

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Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
#20 - 2011-10-30 09:42:55 UTC
It depends on your missioning and salvaging abilities, but generally it's not worth salvaging any of your own missions except some level 4 missions. I was actually working on a little side project to answer that question exactly.
Take a look:

https://sites.google.com/site/prospersynergy/looting-report

Run level 4 missions?  Increase your income and help new players earn ISK.  Join channel: [b]Pro Synergy Pro Synergy[/b] is looking for dedicated Salvagers.  Want to learn more?  Join channel: Pro Synergy

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