Science & Industry

Hi,

even though I know that PI in highsec is a PITA (taxes, abundance or lack thereof)
yet, I will still try to built my own POS fuel for a large tower.

according to what i have found out, for 30 days of fuel i would need

5760 Coolant
2880 Enriched Uranium
2880 Mechanical Parts
14400 Oxygen
720 Robotics

The Ice stuff I probably would buy off market, since i really dont want to die out of ice mining boredom (and the next ice system is a bit off).

I dont mind the hauling involved.
i have three accounts at my disposal and will skill all toons according to the requirements if necessary.
(yeah, i am that stupid).

1. so... what would you guys think would be the most efficient setup of toons / planets?
2. is it true that POS fuel gets produced in ammo assembly arrays ? (if i decide to built it at the tower directly)



looking forward hearing from you.

thx for the heads up.

some more ? how many are we talking about ??

Also, we are probably shortly to hear from the trolls who say a single toon can make 500 M per month doing PI in High Sec for 15 minutes a day.

Ignore them.

I run a medium POS in highsec .. with 2 toons running 5 planets each, each with maxed command centre, and produce enough materials to maintain the POS and have enough capacity to make other products/excess either for sale or use in T2 production. With 3 toons running 5 planets with maxed command centres in 0.5 or 0.6 systems you should have no issues producing what you need to fuel the POS.

4 days??

a large POS burns 40 FB's per hour. 30 days is 720 hours, 40 FB's per run that is 720 runs per month to fuel a large POS. why would you need to do 600 runs every 4 days if you only need 720 runs per month?

All PI mats needed for fuel blocks can be produced from scratch on a single planet. But some are produced much more efficently split between two planets.

For example enriched uranium can be produced from scratch on Plasma world but due to the low concentration of noble metals on most plasma planets you are better off pulling heavy metals and making toxic metals on a ICE planet and transferring them to a barren planet where you pull noble metals to produce the enriched uranium. like wise robotics can be produced from scratch on a Plasma planet, but you are better off making consumer electronics on a lava planet and transferring to a barren planet where you are making mechanical parts and combine them into robotics. the output per week of robotics is much higher.

I due exactly what you are asking, for myself. I have 4 accounts but only 6 PI toons. could easily use all 12 toons, but it is not needed. I generally run 1 day 45 minute cycles to maximize my daily P0 output. This requires daily resets of planets, and shuffling mats every 2-3 days to keep things moving. I also try to produce most mats from scratch rather than importing P1 to a factory planet. Factory planets are more efficient, but the import export taxes really add up in high sec, and factory planets require daily delivery of mats to keep them running. I have been doing PI sice it was introduced, and my way is a lot less burdensome. Sure if using it for income you want to max it out. but when only doing it for POS fuel you want to keep it simple so it does not eat up to much play time.


5760 Coolant - This is the hardest in high sec. Good storm planets are harder to find. I use Storm planets to produce coolant from scratch. It can also be done on gas planets, but I find storm more productive. a single storm planet can produce 400-500 coolant per week from scratch. 1600-2000 units per month. 4 storm planets should produce 6400-8000 per month. trust me extra is always a good idea.

2880 Enriched Uranium - Can be produced from scratch on a Plasma planet but these are more rare to find, an I have never seen several in a single system before. I will produce toxic metals on an ICE or lava planet and import it to a barren planet producing precious metals, and make the Enriched Uranium there. I currently have 1 character mostly dedicated to Enriched uranium. He has 1 plasma 2 barren, and1 ICE all going into enriched uranium. and 1 Barren producing mechanical parts. He produces almost double the amount of Enriched uranium I need per month.

2880 Mechanical Parts - fairly easy, barren planets are abundant, although it can be tricky to find some with decent noble metal deposits. the base metals are easy to come by, so I will look for good noble metals, then verify there is enough base metals near by. I run 7 Barren planets producing mechanical parts, 3 of which are used for robotics.

14400 Oxygen - this is easy, a single gas planet can produce well over 20,000 units per month.

720 Robotics - Can be produced from scratch on a plasma planet but with very low yield, and you would need CC trained to 5 to fit everything. I run 3 lava planets producing consumer electronics, which gets exported to the 3 extra barren planets producing mechanical parts, where they are combined into robotics. I make at least double to robotics I need per month.

I collect all the PI to my corp hangers at an office in the same system as my POS. Once every two weeks I will set aside enough PI mats for 400-500 runs of fuel blocks and load up all the surplus. I generally leave all the coolant as it seems to always be my choke point mat. i will haul all the extra mats to market where I sell them and buy the needed ice products. be sure to check the prices as some times it is much cheaper to by the ice and refine it your self then buy the isotopes. Heavy water is always super cheap. Liquid Ozone fluctuates. Some times it is worth while to buy dark glitter to refine for LO then buy the raw LO. I generally make enough profits off the sold PI mats (high volumes of enriched Uranium and Robotics) to buy all the needed ICE products. If I happen to hit the market while iso's or LO are cheap I will stock up, as it will likely be back up by my next trip.

I used to mine my own ICE but ice has gotten so cheap lately it is not worth my time. ICE mining is only about 8 mil per hour right now, thanks to our AFK miners. What this means is ICE products are cheaper. Even when I did mine ICE I only mined for the ISO's as high sec ice is not a good source for LO, and heavy water is super cheap. about 1000 blocks per month is enough iso's to fuel a large tower. To mine enough for the LO I would need over 4300 blocks, then have to haul and sell all the extra Iso's and heavy water. Just not worth it. Buy the LO if not buying all the ICE products.

3 accounts with 3 PI characters on each account should be able to produce enough PI per month to cover fuel needs of two large towers. fueling one tower should not be a problem.

If you are close to a low sec system doing PI there is well worth the effort. yields are much higher, and getting in and out with a blockade runner is easy.

I stated: it's a business. For me.

Two years on and you still can't grasp basic things like, "Raw materials have a market value regardless of how you acquire them"?

Try harder, you say? No amount of effort could fix that amount of stupid.

ITT: Accounting 101 is now 'trolling".

So are you asserting they are free?

Why would you believe that?

I'd love to see the math on your position.

So, if I follow you correctly, your strategy is as follows:

1. Give absolutely horse hockey, unambiguously incorrect advice to new players/industrialists.
2. Refer to any observations that you are wholly incompetent as "trolls".
3. Refuse to actually support your horse hockey advice.

Don't get me wrong - if you want to mine ice, that's fine. Someone has to dig the ditches, and it's preferable that it's not me.

Believing that it substantially impacts the profit margin of your fuel block manufacturing process pretty readily explains why you need to dig, though.

Please watch the language.
-- ISD Cura Ursus