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Dev blog: Updates to Team Security and the ongoing war on botting

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Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2013-03-25 15:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara
War Kitten wrote:
CCP Sreegs is leaving?

The Goonspiracy club members will be struggling for a new scapegoat.
I'm certain that we'll find somebody to blame.

And while I'm glad to hear that there's one less goon on CCP's staff, the devil you know....

CCP Stillman wrote:
This team will be overseen by the VP of Not In Our Logs, and this will not impact the work being done by the team.
Fixed that for you.

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Deranged FleX
Ozark Cartel
#182 - 2013-03-26 00:45:43 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

One part of the current policy that is missing (at least I hope its still part of policy) is removal of ill gotten ISK. Is that still being done?

It absolutely is, and is done automatically in all cases where the amount can be determined by our backend system. It's rare that manual intervention is needed, but does happen.


How many of those are false positives and end up being returned to the user after month(s) of review?
Galison
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2013-03-27 12:51:23 UTC
Ok I don't know if this was asked as I cant be assed to look and I'm assuming it already is being done but well we all know what assumtion is but if its not being done can you make the first ban 30 days of active account time ie the game still has to be subbed you cant get banned 2days from renewal and go meh and cancel till the ban is over I feel the extra punishment of having to pay while your banned would be a nice touch.
Daddy Duc
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2013-03-30 15:51:13 UTC
If you want to hit botters where it hurts, just go to Jita and look for the 'plus .01 isk' when you put products on the market. A mere 2 seconds later, the price goes up on 5 other sellers. That's where it runs rampant.
Aineko Macx
#185 - 2013-04-02 13:18:25 UTC
Daddy Duc wrote:
If you want to hit botters where it hurts, just go to Jita and look for the 'plus .01 isk' when you put products on the market. A mere 2 seconds later, the price goes up on 5 other sellers. That's where it runs rampant.

Confirming all 0.01 isk'ers are bots, as it's unthinkable that any of 1 to 2 thousand pilots in Jita are babysitting their orders.

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Anthar Thebess
#186 - 2013-04-02 13:23:00 UTC
Daddy Duc wrote:
If you want to hit botters where it hurts, just go to Jita and look for the 'plus .01 isk' when you put products on the market. A mere 2 seconds later, the price goes up on 5 other sellers. That's where it runs rampant.


It will be much easier if you just have to pay 50% of amount you have to pay for creating order in the first place.
We could limit this to the times when you increase the buy or sell order.

Problem fixed.

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Daddy Duc
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2013-04-03 00:18:54 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
Daddy Duc wrote:
If you want to hit botters where it hurts, just go to Jita and look for the 'plus .01 isk' when you put products on the market. A mere 2 seconds later, the price goes up on 5 other sellers. That's where it runs rampant.

Confirming all 0.01 isk'ers are bots, as it's unthinkable that any of 1 to 2 thousand pilots in Jita are babysitting their orders.


There's more to it that that of course. I'd rather not gum up this thread with everything that leads me to believe that many of those are bots. But, I do believe if you want to earn isk, you should play the game, not write a program that plays it for you. If you're one of those people, I can see you defending this practice. If you aren't, then maybe try adding something constructive to the conversation instead of just trying to be a pest.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#188 - 2013-04-03 01:29:25 UTC
he is right you know. The easiest is to scroll your wheel on the mouse to fix that order of yours. And it does place it 0.1 to beat to the top.

So according to you i am also a bot although a bit improved cause i can write on forums PiratePirate

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Melissa Uta
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#189 - 2013-04-18 23:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Melissa Uta
just a quick question if an account was just plexed before downtime with cash then it gets 30day temp ban will it still have that time when it comes back or is it going to have to be replex/ pay you more cash?
NinjaTurtle
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2013-04-22 23:05:00 UTC
Sreegs we're gunna miss you, thanks for everything.
Salm0neus
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#191 - 2013-04-23 11:48:12 UTC
CCP, I am quite disappointed with this thread and yourselves. When people ask questions, you answer them. All but one of the questions that have been asked many times. Can we get an official statement from CCP with the use of ISBOXER. If you do not have one at this time, then admit to it that you are working on it and we will be informed. There have been way too many mixed messages about this particular software.

Personally, I don't think it's something that should be banned at all. It does not run macros, It allows you to view all your characters at one time when you have dual display (Eve does not offer that). The only advantage I see of the program is that it can repeat key and mouse actions. Even with that, you have to setup all your screens to be identical.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#192 - 2013-06-10 11:48:41 UTC
I'm frustrated...

I realize that CCP has a method to report bots, and that I can greatly appreciate.

However, regardless of reporting, nothing seems to be done at all once a bot is reported.

Case in point, there is a Gallente Cosmos Complex called "Contested Canyon of Rust" in the Alsottobier system that is being heavily botted on a daily, 24/7 basis by the same people or person.

All the toons either currently belong in the same corp, or have belonged in the corp.

Almost all use the same ships (ishtars) with the same drones and same exact tactics/methods. They move slow through the plex, releasing their drones then recalling them, and when attacked releasing them again.

You can hurry past them and kill the NPCs of value, if they are there, but these bots frequent the complex so often, often times one after the other, that there hardly are NPCs left to kill at any given time.

Once they have moved through all three rooms, they camp the final room waiting for the structure to spawn. Scanning the ships that are botting, you can see in their cargo a wealth of mods, sometimes the BPCs that are dropped, faction mods, etc.

If you say anything about the botting in local chat, it is always the toon that created the corp, and the alliance they belong to (it is only her corp that belongs to the alliance) who talks. Talking with her she ( I say she because her character is a she ) has admitted on at least one occasion that she is botting, or her corp is, and that they will move on after a week. This was almost 3 weeks ago and yet it still continues.

I have reported the botting, several times now yet I see the same characters doing the same things over and over and over, and never a response from CCP on this. I have not entered the complex for days and days, watching however the toons enter and leave local over and over as they are botting.

Can someone explain how long it takes for someone's account to be banned after it is caught botting? These toons are all over 2 years of age for the most part, and it seems that they have been created for just exactly this reason.

Will anything ever be done to fix this situation, or is this something that those of us who make this area our in game home just have to deal with? It's one thing for a human to re-vist the same hunting grounds, eventually they go to sleep, turn off their computer, only are playing for a short amount of time. But no matter what time of the day or night you log on, these botts are working the system, farming the NPCs and structure, over and over and over.
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