EVE General Discussion

You can't see what isn't there. I can see that your an idiot though. Go read a good book on science. Bad Science is a good one. It even talks about some of the common flawed logic arguments people (read you) use.

A bullshit claim you make based on a bullshit poll which indicates nothing at all. "if CCP did" ... "people would have it on".

An additional claim you make, also building on the crap you wrote in the first quote.

You're all definite there. Taking a bullshit poll (50% ... LOL) and making a claim based on that bullshit poll.

And you wanna tell me i'm stupid ?

Sure. %)

Since people are pulling "statistics" out of their arses here's some meaningless "statistics" from me :

Out of the people I know in Eve only one has CQ turned on and he's the only one interested in WiS. Everyone else thinks its a pile of crap and have it turned off for that reason. Nothing to do with "resources", its because they think its **** and has no place in the game.

If I wanted to walk around in a game then I have plenty of choice of games to play.

local/personal stats are just as useless as Forum Polls, I interact with 200 to 300 players a day and none of them are involved in PVP, so by that standard does that mean nobody does PVP.

I know at least for my part I alternate between the CQ and Hangar depending on what I am doing, and how bored I am with the background. Ships spinning has never interested me so I look for entertainment wherever I can when stuck in a station waiting.

Edit: yes I got your meaningless part but somehow dropped it in the copy paste :)

I admit this topic is sticky, so i keep going. ^_^

For what it's worth, let's get more detailed here.
The poll is so bull, i just can't stand it. And your post is bull,
because it's based on the crappy poll.

Anyway, what's *much more representative of reality*,
without even having the need for numbers ...

Parts of the community ...
... don't use the CQ, because it's too draining on the resources.
... don't use it, because loading it takes too ******* long.*
... don't run/like it, because it doesn't add any actual content.
... simply hate it, for reasons i don't understand.
... hate it, simply because it's new/different.**
... have reasons against it which i can't think of now. (feel free to add)

*(that's different to "it uses too many resources". loading it != running it)
**(big parts of these people usually adapt and accept new stuff, but have to whine about it beforehand anyway)

There's of course the whole group of people that wants it. (with their own very different reasons)

Every person that DOESN'T want WiS/CQ either is in
one of the above,
more of the above or/and
some probably even in all of the above.

(a person in none of the above would run WiS/CQ)


Why i call your ... hypothesis ... bull is because the poll ... at best ... displays
only a small, even tiny bit of reality, while your hypothesis makes it look like you'd believe
that if these points were addressed, all could be fixed.


Let me try now.

To fix the WiS-issue, *at least* four points i can see *right now* have a need to be addressed.
(which, very likely, incorporate a lot of work behind it)

.) Make it load FAST ! (docking/undocking with CQ is a pain!)
.) Less resource-drain.
.) Actual gameplay.
.) Don't make it look like FiS falls short.

These aren't breathtaking new insights, but they address a huge portion of the players.

> Those with lack of cpu/gpu-power. ("yay i finally can use it!")
> Those who need to dock/undock fast. ("yay, less time wastage!")
> Those who would want to use WiS/CQ but see no point. ("yay, that new stuff is FUN!")
> Those who use CQ anyway, ("yay, i can do more stuff now!")
> Those who don't give a flying **** about it, because they want spaceships. ("yay, they still added stuff to FiS!")


In your post, you've said that if the resource-drain would be fixed, two thirds of the other fifty percent
would suddenly start using CQ ... and adding actual content to it, would make the last third run it too.

Your post reduces all parts of the community into two equally sized parts.
Those who can't run it and those who don't "have enough content/see the point".

That's why i called it out.
A bullshit poll leads to a bullshit post ... and on this forum,
leads to people picking it up, writing even more bull.


I really used the word bull way too much. ^_^

Plus the removal of one of the most loved "features" in the game.
Ship spinning.

Your right of course.

However, I'm suggesting they actually couldn't physically deliver anything that would match the quality they put into the avatar portion of WiS simply because only a very small portion of players would have had a PC capable of rendering more than one avatar at a time.

And by the time they realised this it was probably too late. After that; it was damage control II active.

That all depends on how you choose to slice it. It really could be condensed into “arrogance”, but the details that make up that display are a couple more than just those thee points. Also, it depends on what you mean by “not the actual content”. Sure, if the alternate UI (which is all the CQ is) had been released as a single bulletpoint in a proper expansion, it might not have caused as many waves as it did, but since the content was at the very centre of the expansion hype, the fact that it lacked any content would have caused quite a stir even without the other failures surrounding its release.

Were you in game when the Closed Door got released?

If so, then you have already paid for it and in full.

You just got delivered nothing but a pre-pre-pre alpha technology demo.


WiS was not coded in spare hours, it took its canonical six months like all the other expansions and thus adsorbed the same (your too) money like all the other expansions.

Dissing WiS automatically makes the guy part of the elite, though EvE guys.

It's just sheep behavior, nobody has the balls to say something that does not conform to the EvE canons that define "politically correct EvE player".

I had a blast playing SWTOR, the only element missing is EvE's PvP. If only we could merge the two, have players actually land on the damn thousands EvE planets and explore them with those "gallente vehicles" and so on. One day EvE and DUST worlds could evolve and converge beyond the current DUST settings.

Imagine a planetary Apochrypha where people can come from the space or from the planet itself (Dusties) and do tasks beyond what's allowed today.

Imagine the potential for crafing endless amounts of stuff for planets / wrecks / moons explorations, imagine something like an EvE "planetary incursion" where at the last room half the guy reveal to be mercs who backstab the other guys in the face and take everything. Endless PvP content, endless tears, endless crafted stuff.

Yeah, playing first person in EvE would really suck