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FINAL DETAILS OF CALDARI PRIME DMZ ANNOUNCED

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#21 - 2013-03-24 19:08:48 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Silence does not mean stillness.


No, it generally indicates a revenge being planned.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#22 - 2013-03-24 20:07:18 UTC
[CALDARI PRIME. Camera drones race above the fractured and tumbled floes of great frozen Tekojarvi. The ghosts of Amsten and Etee wail on a cutting gale - a banshee's cry across plains of ice. Lights on the horizon, and the drones beep to one another almost in relief.

Temperate Command Center "LUOSTARI-JO GOGOMO." On a suitably high balcony of the gilded but otherwise functional structure, our dear crone stands almost indistinguishable in black, unnaturally fuzzy furs from head to toe. To her right in pristine white stands the diminutive and alien Other Rabbit; left, decked in crimson lined military cold weather gear, a pot-bellied Ealurian with fine spectacles brushes ice from his neatly trimmed mustache. Behind them all looms the silently cylindrical kameira, blotting out the walls of the command center with his formidable bulk.

Below on the tarmac, cadres of stoic employees wait patriotically in the cold for twelve long torso choir boys to finish the State anthem. At its conclusion, Deteis with immaculate and identical blond crew cuts lead units of co-workers through morning calisthenics, chanting "Go Go Go.. GO-GO-MO" in flawless unison.]

"The supply lines are unusually long, of course," observes the Ealurian after some time. "This consumes more power than may otherwise be necessary, limiting our total productive capacity."

As it must be, my dear Dr. Mheket, to extend our good fortune to as much of the troubled surface as possible! Bacteria, proteins, and biofuels - a humble but necessary beginning to a glorious journey of medical science!

"The characteristics of this planet are most intriguing," agrees the good Doctor. "Will the Brutor be delivering biomass from Aphi III? We will need it to begin on the viral agents necessary for our vaccination work. With so much die-off, disease presents a serious threat."

Never have so manky plankton given their all for such a good cause!

[The crone breathes in deeply.]

Oh, dear. I think I just froze my lungs. "Temperate" my, well, you get the picture.

"Yes, madam," agrees the cylindrical kameira.

Right then, everyone inside! Boys! Boys! This way. Warm one another up. Tea! Tea, please!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-24 22:37:07 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Blasted gallentes! They will pay for this atrocity!!

And Ishukone are spineless freaks! Instead of talking with federal dogs, they could break to planet with force.


No, they can't.

Negotiation will more likely get Ishukone access, allowing assistance to the people that need it.

Force will just result in Ishukone getting repelled, losing investments and ultimately accomplishing nothing.


Well, if Ishukone is too weak to deal with federate scum itself, it can always ask for help from the Navy, besides, it could be a nice opportunity to retaliate.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-03-24 22:43:39 UTC
Ninavask wrote:
I don't care what nationality you are, what beliefs you have. What matters is getting help to those in the path of destruction this tragedy has wrought. The fact innocents where harmed in this and we should make every effort to help them in this time of crisis. Those with power should use it for the good of all, not just the good of themselves. We are already incomprehensible demons to baseliners, let's correct this.

We are combat pilots in first place. And it is in our power to unite efforts and strike back, any Federation asset, that can be harmed by capsullers, should be harmed. Any Federation supporters, that can be killed by capsuleers, must be killed. We must make anything possible to prevent such situation ever again. We must save innocent people lives by destroying everything related to Federation.

They will pay for what they done.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-03-25 00:37:20 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
We are combat pilots in first place. And it is in our power to unite efforts and strike back, any Federation asset, that can be harmed by capsullers, should be harmed. Any Federation supporters, that can be killed by capsuleers, must be killed. We must make anything possible to prevent such situation ever again. We must save innocent people lives by destroying everything related to Federation.

They will pay for what they done.

You realise that no-one is going to help you, don't you?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-03-25 00:54:40 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

You realise that no-one is going to help you, don't you?

I am a combat pilot, kid. I am flying with many peoples who share my ideas and goals. So, please stop using this drugs and try to look at the real world at least once.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2013-03-25 01:44:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


Well, if Ishukone is too weak to deal with federate scum itself, it can always ask for help from the Navy, besides, it could be a nice opportunity to retaliate.

Not showing martial prowess is not the same as weakness.
Sometimes it takes more strength NOT to shoot.
Getting the Navy involved won't do any good aside from generating more debris to fall on our homeworld.


It is because of petty warmongering that Caldari prime needs relief efforts in the first place, so kindly shove off.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-03-25 01:59:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

You realise that no-one is going to help you, don't you?

I am a combat pilot, kid. I am flying with many peoples who share my ideas and goals. So, please stop using this drugs and try to look at the real world at least once.


You appear to be less interested in the ideals and cause of your faction and more interested in just having something to shoot at.

People like you are why the empires will take ages to find peace, if they ever do. You seem more fit to be a pirate than a soldier fighting for a cause.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-25 03:11:54 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Well, if Ishukone is too weak to deal with federate scum itself, it can always ask for help from the Navy, besides, it could be a nice opportunity to retaliate.

Not showing martial prowess is not the same as weakness.
Sometimes it takes more strength NOT to shoot.

Sometimes it take more strength to not shoot, sometimes to shoot...

Xindi Kraid wrote:

Getting the Navy involved won't do any good aside from generating more debris to fall on our homeworld.

Whom do you consider our Navy to be? It is gallentean tactic to wage wars by killing civilians. Tell me, how many "debris" there were in space, when Tibus Heth first time kicked gallentean occupants from our planet? I don't think such operation will require any fight on orbit of Caldari Prime, neither low, nor high. During this operation the tripwire system should be temporary disabled or completely destroyed in affected systems, and, if I was planning such operation, I would launch fake or just parallel attack on arbitrary military gallentean installation to distract them from ships operating with civilians.

Xindi Kraid wrote:

It is because of petty warmongering that Caldari prime needs relief efforts in the first place, so kindly shove off.

Gallente hit us when we didn't expect it, obliterating many civilian lives with their greedness to have one more planet. And you prefer to let them go without retaliation?
Where is your dignity, sir?
This is repulsive.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-25 03:23:00 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

You appear to be less interested in the ideals and cause of your faction and more interested in just having something to shoot at.

People like you are why the empires will take ages to find peace, if they ever do. You seem more fit to be a pirate than a soldier fighting for a cause.

Ideals? Of course, I am not interested in ideals. Ideals are empty words. Only gallentean dumbheads can take others lives because of their ideals. That's why they should be disposed of. That's why I feel no pity when I pull trigger on gallenteans.

What is worth defending are actual interests, actual territories, resources and human lives. Including protecting humans from idealistic bigots like gallentes.

Actually, I would name pirate a soldier who is fighting for an ideal or personal gain.
Real soldier fights because of duty and follows orders, not just shoots around.
Maybe it is hard to understand to a gallenteans, whose brains were liquefied by numerous gallentean holoreels, that represent bigoted idealistic idiots as heroes and professionals as villains.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#31 - 2013-03-25 04:25:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Diana Kim wrote:

Sometimes it take more strength to not shoot, sometimes to shoot...
and this is one of the former situations

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Whom do you consider our Navy to be? It is gallentean tactic to wage wars by killing civilians. Tell me, how many "debris" there were in space, when Tibus Heth first time kicked gallentean occupants from our planet? I don't think such operation will require any fight on orbit of Caldari Prime, neither low, nor high. During this operation the tripwire system should be temporary disabled or completely destroyed in affected systems, and, if I was planning such operation, I would launch fake or just parallel attack on arbitrary military gallentean installation to distract them from ships operating with civilians.
At the moment I do not believe it to be a good idea to escalate the situation. Regardless, until we can secure the situation on Caldari Prime, any actions not in direct support of those civilians is the wrong move.


There are Caldari citizens suffering on the surface, and Ishukone is trying to deliver aid. THe only thing you want the Navy to deliver is guns. You don't even seem to care about the people on the surface of Caldari Prime. Citizens of the State, YOUR people.

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Gallente hit us when we didn't expect it, obliterating many civilian lives with their greedness to have one more planet. And you prefer to let them go without retaliation?
As I have said, the lives under threat on Caldari Prime is our first priority.
I Do fully believe the area in orbit of Caldari Prime needs to be reconnoitered as a defensive operation, but your interest only seems to lie in offensive actions elsewhere. Actions which will only make the current situation worse.

I have no love for the Gallente Federation, but we should be demonstrating that we are their betters by showing the restraint they have not.

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Where is your dignity, sir?
This is repulsive.

I beg your pardon? When you were still learning what it means to be a Caldari Citizen I was in the Watch, and later the Navy. I have enough dignity to know when fighting is not the right answer, and I want to see the best outcome for the entire State and all of our people, not just Heth and Provists like yourself.


It's funny you are so dismissive of ideals, since the State has our own ideals due to the fact that ideals are a large portion of the make up of a nation and its identity. Perhaps you never did learn what it means to be a Caldari Citizen.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-03-25 07:54:25 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I am a combat pilot, kid. I am flying with many peoples who share my ideas and goals. So, please stop using this drugs and try to look at the real world at least once.

Behind Damar Rocarion, you're basically the laughing stock of the Caldari militia. The only people who fly with you are those who don't know better.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-25 08:00:21 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I am a combat pilot, kid. I am flying with many peoples who share my ideas and goals. So, please stop using this drugs and try to look at the real world at least once.

Behind Damar Rocarion, you're basically the laughing stock of the Caldari militia. The only people who fly with you are those who don't know better.

Just shut up, kid. Your combat experience is not enough not only to talk about me, but even about any new militia pilot. Your ignorance is really annoying.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-03-25 08:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Diana Kim wrote:
Just shut up, kid.

Come and make me, you petulant child.

Diana Kim wrote:
Your combat experience is not enough not only to talk about me,

Firstly, you don't get to decide that. Secondly, sitting on a station in a battleship one-shotting industrials and frigates and flying in fifty-man blobs doesn't make you a combat expert.

Diana Kim wrote:
Your ignorance is really annoying.

Congratulations! Now you know how literally everyone on the IGS feels about you. You know literally nothing and you should shut up.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-03-25 08:33:10 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:

There are Caldari citizens suffering on the surface, and Ishukone is trying to deliver aid. THe only thing you want the Navy to deliver is guns. You don't even seem to care about the people on the surface of Caldari Prime. Citizens of the State, YOUR people.

Sir, if you have lost it, i would remind you, that the proposition was about caring people in the planet, Sir. That is what this conversation about. I strongly recommend you to review it from the start, sir. And do not make such mistake twice, since I really hate incompetence.
And difference between what Ishukone did and what I was talking about is not in what should be done, but in what how it should be done.

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As I have said, the lives under threat on Caldari Prime is our first priority.
I Do fully believe the area in orbit of Caldari Prime needs to be reconnoitered as a defensive operation, but your interest only seems to lie in offensive actions elsewhere. Actions which will only make the current situation worse.

There is one very old board game, that teach you strategy, and best players often say, that the best defense is offence.

Quote:

I have no love for the Gallente Federation, but we should be demonstrating that we are their betters by showing the restraint they have not.

Should you allow murderer, that you catch on a crime scene, go along with it, because you want to show the restrain, that he have not?
I find it absurd, sir.

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I beg your pardon? When you were still learning what it means to be a Caldari Citizen I was in the Watch, and later the Navy. I have enough dignity to know when fighting is not the right answer, and I want to see the best outcome for the entire State and all of our people, not just Heth and Provists like yourself.

Yes, I am still young, and I was still learning when you was in the Watch, but I have learned my lessons well. I know that if someone hits you, and you don't fight back, he will hit you again. I know, that if someone hits you and you don't fight back, you lose respect. And you disgrace not only yourself, but your squadron, your corporation, and your State. Cowards and fainthearted ones are stains on reputation.

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It's funny you are so dismissive of ideals, since the State has our own ideals due to the fact that ideals are a large portion of the make up of a nation and its identity. Perhaps you never did learn what it means to be a Caldari Citizen.

Perhaps I have used too strong words for them. Because, in fact, every word is not empty (well, excluding those, said by lying buffoons like Ixiris), and ideals are not empty too. But still, ideals are just ideals and nothing else, they are like ideas, like examples, like moral values. I myself have ideals: honor, duty, professionalism. But they are rather instructions for yourself, but not reason to kill.
I doubt anyone of Caldari will kill someone who lacks professionalism or honor. But gallentes... gallentes are readily sacrifice hundreds, millions, whole planets and whole nations on their altar to 'liberty'.
That liberty, that makes criminals from peoples. That cuts your restraints by other ideals, by other obligations and moral rules. And not only they sacrifice lives, but also bring chaos, known as freedom, to those, who surrender and survive.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-03-25 08:37:37 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Just shut up, kid.

Come and make me, you petulant child.

Diana Kim wrote:
Your combat experience is not enough not only to talk about me,

Firstly, you don't get to decide that. Secondly, sitting on a station in a battleship one-shotting industrials and frigates and flying in fifty-man blobs doesn't make you a combat expert.

Diana Kim wrote:
Your ignorance is really annoying.

Congratulations! Now you know how literally everyone on the IGS feels about you. You know literally nothing and you should shut up.

Your claims, that i only
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sitting on a station in a battleship one-shotting industrials and frigates and flying in fifty-man blobs doesn't make you a combat expert

just show that you have no idea of what I am doing, how i fight and what are you talking about. If you pull a couple of examples, that you somehow managed to find out, but ignore many others, you are indeed blind and ignorant.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-03-25 08:43:25 UTC
Please Andy. You're making her feel relevant.

As far as the actual matter at hand, I really hope Ishukone gets access. If there's someone in the State that I respect, it's Mens Reppola.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#38 - 2013-03-25 09:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Diana Kim wrote:

Sir, if you have lost it, i would remind you, that the proposition was about caring people in the planet, Sir. That is what this conversation about. I strongly recommend you to review it from the start, sir. And do not make such mistake twice, since I really hate incompetence.
And difference between what Ishukone did and what I was talking about is not in what should be done, but in what how it should be done.
I have been paying attention. You suggested that Ishukone were acting improperly because they want to gain access to grant aid diplomatically rather than coming in guns blazing which would result in the death of more Caldari citizens as relief vessels (which aren't known for their armaments and ability to take punishment) get caught up in a fight.

Again, it seems as if you don't care about the people on the ground so much as saving face and getting revenge, neither of which will help those people.
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Should you allow murderer, that you catch on a crime scene, go along with it, because you want to show the restrain, that he have not?
I find it absurd, sir.
You have that person arrested, so they can be tried for their crimes and brought to justice. If you skipped straight to killing them right back, then we might as well not have police, because we'd just be a barbaric anarchy.

The Federation needs to answer for their crimes, but, thus far, throwing the Navy at the problem has proven somewhat less than effective.


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Yes, I am still young, and I was still learning when you was in the Watch, but I have learned my lessons well. I know that if someone hits you, and you don't fight back, he will hit you again. I know, that if someone hits you and you don't fight back, you lose respect. And you disgrace not only yourself, but your squadron, your corporation, and your State. Cowards and fainthearted ones are stains on reputation.
I am not a coward. I have come to the defense of the State on multiple occasions, and I was there at the battle of Shiigeru trying to defend Caldari interests. Trust me, we did what we could to fight back when we were hit, but we got our asses kicked. Right now is the time to heal our wounds.

Taking rash action might only serve to injure us further. We should not take this attack lying down, but there are other ways to demonstrate strength and solidarity. Also you have framed your intentions mostly in the the terms of vengeance which can be a slippery slope. A slope I feel the State has slid down too far under Heth's rule (I appreciate his reforms to bring us back to a better meritocracy, and was fully behind the actions to reclaim Caldari Prime and maintain defense of the State, but his handling of Gallente peoples out of blind hatred are appalling and have only served to provoke the Federation).
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-03-25 09:30:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
just show that you have no idea of what I am doing, how i fight and what are you talking about. If you pull a couple of examples, that you somehow managed to find out, but ignore many others, you are indeed blind and ignorant.

I don't need to claim it. People just need to look at your kill record.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-03-25 10:29:03 UTC
This move by Ishukone should be seen for what it is; an example of the benefits the State can reap from a multi-headed approach to both foreign and domestic policy.

Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi and Sukuuvestaa are all ill suited for this form of compromise laden speech-craft, embedded as they are in maintaining a military stance and pursuing engagements through traditional warfare. The very mechanisms that support the majority of the megas lend them strength in their own areas of dominance; competition is a way of life and if you don't have something to bring to the battlefield, culture and market, you're not going to last long.

Ishukone has long been close to the Federation economically, but I have never seen any indication of social or political unity that would go beyond that required to secure benefit for the corporation. I am not privy to the specifics, of course, but I am familiar with the general attitudes of Ishukone employees and executives from prior dealings, and they are as focused on mega-corporate benefit as any Patriot or Practical. One could argue that their willingness to expand their markets into foreign domains on their terms has hardened them against cultural erosion, as much as they have exposed themselves to such forces.

Specific to this topic, Ishukone are doing a service for the State. We need to fight, to carry on and wrest back what is our, but we also need to realise that any nation is judged by how it treats it's citizens when they are beyond their means to survive. Regardless of race or allegiance, any human being on Caldari Prime not possessed of a firearm and intent to use it, needs relief. They need this conditional olive branch.

We do not need peace with the Federation. The civilian population of Caldari Prime, what little may remain, needs only the conditional cessation of hostilities around key evacuation sites and a break in the Federation blockade. We extend one hand of many for this token of humanity; but we keep another seven clenched mega-corporate fists ready for any sign of betrayal or jockeying for advantage.

Remember, Caldari, we fight on but we never forget that our actions echo through our children.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer