Ships & Modules

Lasers have high base DPS and high base range. Omen gets a rate of fire bonus, which is more DPS than a pure damage bonus of equal percentage, and the navy version gets an even stronger rate of fire bonus. Amarr also get big capacitors to partially compensate for lasers. Any questions?

Edit: no idea what you are using the cruiser for, but check cap stability of the omen versus cap stability of the maller before you make any decisions

Well it's not entirely so simple and unfair. The original concept I think was to give each gun a downside and then have the ships give a compensatory bonus.

So for hybrids the tracking bonus was given to Gallente. It would accomplish two things, make the horrible tracking on rails usable since range is a strength of the weapon, and for blasters it would further buff a strength leaving a range disability to be addressed by mods. For Caldari hybrids they were given an optimal bonus, similar effect to range on rails as the gallente bonus effect on blasters. Basically buffing a strength. But the big effect would be on blasters, addressing the major range disability while necessitating some minor mod help for tracking.

For projectiles you often see a rof bonus acting in a compensatory manner. That is a major drawback of arty. So the rof bonus makes the dps passable. Simultaneously for auto cannons it plays up a minor strength and leaves other disabilities to be addressed by mods.

For lasers the idea was to give them a disability of lots of cap use. As to what was meant to be the strength of lasers I do not know. Hybrids got dps (and in the case of rails range), projectiles got alpha and ac range projection through falloff. Not sure what was meant to be the strengths of lasers. Other than pulses having a long-ish optimal.

Even for missiles a drawback was delayed damage. One way to address this is to make the missiles faster to target. I think this was the essential idea behind missile speed bonuses. However, those are as constructed essentially also range bonuses.

Yes the cap use bonus in isolation is a downer. However it is nice to have for pve. In pvp it matters less because the time frames tend to be short enough so as to not always cap yourself out. Unfortunately the 10% cap use bonus will not save a laser boat from losing it's damage ability from getting neuted. And therein is a problem.

Anyway, it appears to be sticking around through rebalancing. So learn to live with seeing it. Now if they gave lasers something in which they could shine (heh, I know), then it might not be so bad to see the 10% reduction in cap use ship bonus.

Lasers are midrange weapons. They do good DPS at moderate ranges. They are not supposed to obsolete all other platforms. The lasers got their high cap use to stop people from fitting them on EVERYTHING. CCP has gradually moved away from the 10% less cap use "bonus" towards other ways to make lasers viable only on Amarr ships - or to give Amarr ships other advantages that make up for the shortcomings of the lasers. Perhaps it would have been better to give them 5-10% more cap recharge per level in conjunction with the ROF bonus. It would have a similar effect while allowing the player to make more interesting fitting decisions.

Either way, the Omen and Maller are relatively similar. Pick your play style and then the ship that suits it better.

Well, I never implied that anything in the game was supposed to obsolete anything else. I simply said that lasers seemed sort of 'meh.' Perhaps 'meh' would be fine if they didn't have a particularly large handicap, but using so much cap that ships have to use up a 'bonus' just to fit them seems like a deal-breaker to me, unless I can find some other reason to use them.



I don't see any reason to suppose folks would fit them on everything, because they aren't superior to everything else.

No, the high cap use seems to be the 'drawback' they thought up for using lasers. But the problem with this drawback is that it actually hinders fitting the damn things, requiring using up ship bonuses to fit them.

Thanks for all the feedback though. I remain unconvinced at this time, but will check back to see if anyone says anything that sways me.

I never claimed to know what I'm talking about. In fact it is why I posted here - because I'm a noob who doesn't know what he's talking about. So feel free to enlighten me if you have advice, rather than just throwing out troll bait or whatever. I don't mind listening to what folks have to say, it's why I posted this.

...What?

And how would you implement that They don't even know how to remove off-grid boosting right now. Would the recharge be constant even when the guns are not active, or only the cap used by the guns? Just a activation cost reduction like some ships currently has does that well enough.

At least from what I was commenting on it didn't seem like he was talking about the current cap bonuses they have.

Omen Cos it looks way better than the maller.

After all it is the only real reason to fly any ship in eve is how it looks!

Just lost my destroyer against a cruiser (almost won, but his armor repair and cap steal was too much), so ended up going with with the Omen simply because of the larger drone bay.

TBH I still find the Omen more all round than the maller.

The speed and damage of the omen is great and if fit for brawling can sport a decent tank as well.