Warfare & Tactics

Yes it will. de-plexers should be prepared to fight as well.

imho that would just switch the farmers to defensive plexers so they dont get hampered that much

I can't even begin to count the number of times I've been deplexing a home system and a shout comes over comms that ship A is pointed and a buddy needs help. I should lose minutes on the timer for that? Penalizing deplexing would be horribly unpopular.

Timers won't (or shouldn't) start on their own, the legitimate 'touch' of an enemy should be required. So for d-plexes the attacker would have to clear rats before timer starts resetting .. nor will it ever be able to go further that 50/50 (ie. reset).

Now if CCP is able distinguish between a warp-off and a cloak as it relates to timer inactivity we could get rid of cloakers at the same time .. timer already counting backwards before you land on grid? Well **** son, the bastard's cloaked up and didn't skedaddle like his umpteen buddies.

But, null first. Getting their crap in order has the potential to fix the farming problem as they'd have something else to do .. after that low-sec in general. Sick of non-FW space being nothing more than concord free high-sec when it could be a goddamn maggot teeming rat infested hell hole of a pirate haven.

My fear is that CCP just won't care now.

What FW now is to EVE is just limitless isk, that is it. The actual FW part of it is for maybe 1000 active pilots across 4 militias. the rest of the active guys are all about isk to use elsewhere with no thought to the actual FW side they play.

Can I just point out that last time I had enough free time/cider to drunkroam outside the warzone I blew up some poor innocent bunch of scrubs in ammatar space and brought an ill-advised revenge wardec on my corp, leading to a week of much hilarity.

Since then the scourge of IRL work and family has limited my trolling time but my overall impression of non-FW lowsec is a small sample of hilariously inept but willing noobs...

of course they would change something. They would not suddenly fix FW but they would be the incentive to stay in a plex and defend your progress, since if you run the timer will reset slowly. As i said. There is no reason to stay and fight right now.

lets say your corp wants to protect a handful of systems. With the backwards running timers you could simply patrol the systems and make sure nobody is in the plexes. If all you encounter are farmers... they will make no progress. If they have half or a brain they will drop their warp stabs and try to fight you. Thats where the fun starts. Fighting alts in pve ships is not fun.

why should somebody be able to contest a system without a fight? this just does not make any sense.

Couldn't the farmer problem be fixed by making stabs and cloaks useless within fw plexes? Mwd's used to be useless so surely it's a simple matter of coding. It would have the added benefit of producing enough tears to float an aircraft carrier.

MWD's removal from DED space grids was due to NPC limitations that allowed sniping/kiting them with impunity, ie. Reward 1:Risk 0. Was eventually sorted by revising missions and rats.

The FW issue of cloaks/stabs, while appearing similar, boils down to the users not being shot in the face by others which is a completely different ballgame. Were they to do as asked, then what possible argument could be made against the null "AFK cloaking!!111" complaints or against the recent idea of making the base range of all points as long as current+T3 boost?

Arbitrarily restricting one thing or another should only ever be considered when all other possibilities have been exhausted. Eve is pretty damn close to being a sand-box, but every time restrictions are introduced ... playing in another's castle in a theme park does not come close to having ones own after all.

Create incentives to make people want to stand and fight with similarly sized penalties should they decide to chicken out, loads of ways to go about it without having to cordon off part of the sandbox.

So Amarr/Minmatar have one each (SFI/Slicer) while both the Caldari are mentioned as good and you ask why not more?

The entire T1 lineups are pretty damn sweet now and work on faction hulls have just begun (new Firetail > All), but the LP store could do with a rethink. Tags are scarce now that only 5% of the FW rats ever spawn and we could use some more monopolies to reduce the market pressure created by high-sec.

Just being pragmatic. From a lore point of view surely they could be restricted by the the same dead space instabilities that prevented mwds. Of course that would fuel even more ark cloaking whine threads but won't make their arguments any more valid.

Fw was concieved as a pvp feature. Stabs and cloaks in plexes prevent pvp events.



I couldn't agree more, but that is a lot of work for devs who are probably a bit burnt out trying to iterate on a system that still hasn't fully realised its objective. Restricting mods that prevent pvp in fw would be a simple fix and it would create more pvp.