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Non-Depleting Market Quantities
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Ajoris
ECRENOMUN
#1 - 2013-03-20 23:52:41 UTC
This is really weird...

I've purchase an item that has a remaining quantity of 1. When the sale is complete, the one unit remains on the market, yet I can keep on purchasing it without depleting it. My wallet shows the transactions, and I now have multiple items (of the single item available at that station), yet even seconds to hours later... still only one available. It's definitely not lag.

Now, I know certain items are NPC generated (like low level skill books), but some of these are Tech II items which (if I'm not mistaken) are only created with Blueprints by players.

This leads me to my paranoid conclusion: given that these non-depleting items are the cheapest in the region (often by only a thousand ISK), is this some sort of botting hack on the market?
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#2 - 2013-03-21 00:14:34 UTC
Ah, I've encountered this once before, although I don't remember the specifics. It was for a single mineral or something, and it struck me as very strange as well.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2013-03-21 00:52:16 UTC
Sometimes, when an order expires, it stays on the market, until the next downtime, beating any order that costs more than it. Just not appearing to anyone.

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Ajoris
ECRENOMUN
#4 - 2013-03-21 01:26:17 UTC
Assuming that were true, someone's getting money for items they don't have. At minimum, a serious bug.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#5 - 2013-03-21 02:42:21 UTC
Ajoris wrote:
Assuming that were true, someone's getting money for items they don't have. At minimum, a serious bug.


This needs to be petitioned with the sellers name in the petition, this could be a market bot, this requires CCP's attention.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#6 - 2013-03-21 02:50:40 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Ajoris wrote:
Assuming that were true, someone's getting money for items they don't have. At minimum, a serious bug.


This needs to be petitioned with the sellers name in the petition, this could be a market bot, this requires CCP's attention.


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joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#7 - 2013-03-21 03:48:13 UTC
I've come across this multiple times, seems to happen mostly when buying from not the lowest market order. Fixes itself within a few hours/dt.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#8 - 2013-03-21 10:57:49 UTC
Ajoris wrote:
Assuming that were true, someone's getting money for items they don't have. At minimum, a serious bug.



Not so, and I apologise for giving that impression.

More:

My order 'expires', and is removed from the order display. However, it remains active until downtime, when the remaining goods are returned to me. In this time, people can buy from it, and my stock depletes.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#9 - 2013-03-21 15:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Kara Books wrote:
Ajoris wrote:
Assuming that were true, someone's getting money for items they don't have. At minimum, a serious bug.


This needs to be petitioned with the sellers name in the petition, this could be a market bot, this requires CCP's attention.

One time this happened to me I did petition it. I was told that nothing wrong was happening. But I did not learn just what was happening....

Steve Ronuken wrote:

My order 'expires', and is removed from the order display. However, it remains active until downtime, when the remaining goods are returned to me. In this time, people can buy from it, and my stock depletes.


If this is the answer (and it makes sense) then it is a bug, just not a big one.

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-03-21 17:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
It is a well known mechanic, i asked/petition it 3 years ago and i wasn't the first one for sure. It is simple, when your sell order expires it will stay invisible on the market until next downtime, all sell orders.
In case your expired sell is still the lowest one everbody will buying from your expired sell order without seeing it until it deplets, someone else is undercutting you or dt happens.
Just check for 24h sell orders made shortly after downtime those ones have the purpose to use the mentioned mechanic.

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Kristoffon vonDrake
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#11 - 2013-03-21 18:24:13 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:

Not so, and I apologise for giving that impression.

More:

My order 'expires', and is removed from the order display. However, it remains active until downtime, when the remaining goods are returned to me. In this time, people can buy from it, and my stock depletes.

I've had this happen a couple times. The order did *not* expire but it did vanish. The items would return to the hangar after the next downtime and sometimes sales would show up on the ghost order.
cheetai
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-21 18:40:26 UTC
Interesting mechanic. Strange that it has not been manipulated yet. Or has it?
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-03-21 18:59:36 UTC
cheetai wrote:
Interesting mechanic. Strange that it has not been manipulated yet. Or has it?

This is EVE... want to take a guess?
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
#14 - 2013-03-21 21:14:00 UTC
the answer is nightfreeze. done
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#15 - 2013-03-24 19:15:13 UTC
joyous the wrote:
I've come across this multiple times, seems to happen mostly when buying from not the lowest market order. Fixes itself within a few hours/dt.



You cannot buy from "not the lowest order"...whichever one you right click to buy from, it will take it from the lowest priced order, and give the seller the price you have put in

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joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#16 - 2013-03-24 19:56:52 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
joyous the wrote:
I've come across this multiple times, seems to happen mostly when buying from not the lowest market order. Fixes itself within a few hours/dt.



You cannot buy from "not the lowest order"...whichever one you right click to buy from, it will take it from the lowest priced order, and give the seller the price you have put in


When buying large amounts of stuff, and with many smaller orders in front of larger ones and similar prices, I will just buy the large order which will eat up all the smaller ones in front of it, saving time for a minimal price increase. Is what I meant by buying not the lowest order.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2013-03-24 21:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
You always buy from the order with the lowest price AND the lowest expiry time.

So if an expired item is still active (until downtime), and has a lower or same sell price, it will get sold first.

A bot would have to put up a new order, which is easy to identify by the time remaining.
GreenSeed
#18 - 2013-03-25 00:31:27 UTC
Ajoris wrote:
Assuming that were true, someone's getting money for items they don't have. At minimum, a serious bug.

no.

the items are subtracted when you get the expired order back at the next downtime.

i sell lots of faction ammo and all my orders are short term, this happens all the time to me.