Warfare & Tactics

TL;DR Everyone joins minnies to play fwarmville.

On a side note. I get to say 'Fweddit fighting fwarmville fwarmers,'

@ Zarnak, but you get sexy minmatar slaves and lots of gold...

This thread makes me want to take up the violin.

Well it does seem to fit, since all the amarr pilots come across as 8 years old, utter crybabies and/or total sperglords.

part of t he problem is that what retribution gave us is only half what was promised. For example the little thing "backwards running timers" which would slowly bring a contested plex into default state if nobody is in there was simply not implemented.

The lack of this little mechanic makes fighting farmers brutally time consuming and unrewarding (since if you catch them you killed a pve ship - thats the lamest form of pvp). There is still no incentive to defend a plex. The changed plex layout was pointless... all it did was to allow warpin camping (other games call it spawn camping, in eve its a feature). Farmers still run or hide like they did before. A pvper will simply give up after encountering the tenth cloaking thrasher or stabbed rifter - its just a waste of your time. Its a vicious circle.

System upgrades have also no meaning beside influencing the wz-control bar (thats all what farmers care about). A few research slots more or less are really no good reason to keep the system upgraded... esp systems with no stations in it (lol).

And whats now new is the dust influence which is basically a random variable to the whole system. Mercs do not know/care for whom or where they are fighting + there is no mechanic which would "encourage" mercs to fight at certain places or certain factions, for example via giving extra rewards if they fulfill a player driven FW contract (not frelling NPC contracts which influence sov!).

There is currently so much randomness in FW that people slowly stop to care.. that can't be healthy for a persistent universe where your actions matter blabla. And hey, who wants to join slavers in the first place - what are we fighting for again?

Thanks for neatly encapsulating my point :)

This is true.

But BM is correct though (now that he's in the toilet) in that backward running timers will not change anything.

The farmers should get nerfed with some reduced ease and returns. And those of us that play in this part of the game for the pvp in the plexes should get some buffing. One way to do this would be to bring back the respawning of the rats. It would seem to me that it would be very simple for CCP to experiment with the difficulty of the rats. They could find a happy medium where the nooby farming alts can't just fit warp stabs and cloaks, and run the timers after their tender has killed one rat. But also not so difficult as to kill the farmers off.

Additionally, I can't believe that they can't tweak the lp gains upward for pvp kills. If they do these two things we might not have to deal with wild swings in system control brought about by farmers. You see I say this even while Gallente is on the ascendency. BM was all "you just win because of farmers" when we took the entire warzone. But once the flow changed course he was all like "you guys suck and we're doing it all ourselves."

But the truth is in between. The farmers do influence the general direction of flow tremendously. But they cannot take the home systems of the other faction. That is only doable through concerted pvp. It would be nice if CCP can reduce the farmers share of directing the flow. Again without killing them off because everyone loves the occasional comedy killmail they provide.

edit - and the space Nazi hood of the Caldari and the religious slave abusing nutbaggery of the Amarr should either be just put out there explicitly, or they should work on bringing more ambiguity to the empire factions. i.e. either make it stupidly obvious that two are good guys and two are bad guys, or bring some more parity to the moral ambiguity of them all. Also, whoever is directing the art department really must hate the Amarr. Old religious nuttbags come from somewhere. So can't we see some young looking religious nuttbags ffs? That way more might want to play them. (oh that and giving up the slavery thing )

2nd edit - one thing doesn't compute though about the OP. Concerning ships, which may be of course missing the point of the lp stores, but it is my impression that navy apocs have the best market atm. They are sought after for pvp. And as such they will die a lot more than the other ships, and thus need a steady supply. Conversely I suspect there is only so much pve loot piñata ganking that can go on with Navy Ravens, but I could be wrong as there certainly does seem to be a continual larger number of farmers looking to make hookbills and navy ravens than any of the Gallente ships. Also, about those hookbills, balancing team, please get a clue.

You forgot to metion that the amarr are from the "south".

Amarr: Slave-owning, hood wearing religious zealots...they're the K.K.K. of New Eden. The characters are ugly and the ships aren't much better. And people wonder why they're unpopular? Really?

Just taking a wild stab in the dark, but I would guess in terms of overall popularity:

1. Caldari
2. Gallente
3. Minmatar
4. Amarr

And this is based on character looks only. Ship designs probably play a small part in that too, but you can change what ships you fly. You can't change being an ugly toon.

LP store is overdue an overhaul and tiercide should take care of the ship problem, don’t think you will having to worry about fleet stabbers as all the LP is probably going to be dumped into Firetails. Amarr LP store is pretty good with the best armour mods I would certainly like a few changes to a few Gallente LP store items that are inferior even if it is just fittings.

Holding Space - if only there were a mechanism in lowsec where factions could hold space and upgrade said space to provide useful benefits, wonder how that would work.

The first character I created was Amarr, they had lasers and I liked the ships then I went away on holiday reads blogs and the book came home and started again with Gallente. To be fair I decided I preferred drone style up close combat ships (didn’t realise things were broken at the time). I felt the novel did portray the main Amarr character in a good way, but perhaps CCP hasn’t pushed forward the story enough to show the multiple aspects of the various factions and this causes the Amarr to suffer in particular.

i meant when amarr were pushing those systems a few weeks ago and went to t3-4 the amarr victor crys were there same with the caldari(were they not taken in same way?) now its swung bk its broke again....


and i have stated im for rollbacks on multiple threads