Intergalactic Summit

I would hardly say the Caldari "chose" to leave their homeworld, unless you consider moving from an untenable piece of cover in a firefight to a slightly more defensible foxhole a conscious choice. It was more a matter of being under direct orbital bombardment at the time.
I'll also say that the Intaki weren't exactly happy with the Federation's governance as I understand the situation. Well congratulations, you got the State instead, and you have the audacity to complain about that too?

As long as this nonsense about who's the most aggrieved party, who did what to whom and all the rest continues there's no chance for peace between us. All I hear from the Statists is more egoism, more call for vengeance, more cries for blood.

You cannot win a total war against us nor can we win one against you. We must accept that we're both correct, both wrong and that we must find a way to live together else, we'll all die together.

How very strange.

I expect that the CVA will be having words with him.

I guess you have a new recruit. Congratulations?

From the looks of things, you are the one being ignorant. Of a great many things.

Do you know anything about Federation history at all?

Do you know what The Two Month Crisis was?

Does the term "New Year Coup" ring any bells?

How about "Hueromont Reforms" or "Three Pillars of Power"?

In short, you make the above claim because you either don't know how the Federation worked back when the State seceded and how it works now, or you are actively ignoring it for cheap arguments. There is a multitude of reasons why the State's secession was regarded as a very bad thing two centuries ago, and there is a great deal of reasons why having Caldari Prime secede today would be nowhere near as bad. Controversial perhaps, but no-one can legally stop them, as far as I know.



Tovil Toba had a different choice. He simply chose the one that would ensure as many casualties as he could, when it was clear he had been defeated. He, and the rest of your State, and all the rest of us, can be extremely thankful that the reactions to this primarily ousted the U-Nats from power. It could easily have consolidated power around them if the people were of a different mindset, and the U-Nats were not so cruel to their own.

I condemn you for greedily seeking the return of your supposed property. After Hueromont, there was a cease-fire in effect for over a year, to allow the Federation to sort out the ousting of the U-Nats and the State used this time to evacuate anyone they wanted. Those who remained were the ones who wanted to. There was no people left that you had any claim to that you could return to "save." The only thing you returned for was the planet itself. You denounced the population as squatters, a population that had every right in the world to remain where they were.



I wonder how many times I will have to tell you this for you to understand, one would think that it's not hard considering your origin. You should understand this: When you move to a new location that is hostile to your very survival and the locals have survived by their own means for millenia, you follow those means yourself, or you perish. On Caldari Prime people of non-Caldari blood have settled for centuries since the Gallente first landed there, and they soon found themselves Caldari in spirit, and often with Caldari blood as well for these reasons. This had not been a problem to the Caldari until the period around the secession of the Caldari megacorporations.

When the State returned the nations of Caldari Prime were not faced with their long lost "brothers." They were invaded at gun-point by a foreign power that happened to be Caldari as well, a foreign power with no regard for those locals with non-Caldari blood, and barely any for those with that blood, either.

You seem to fail to realize that there are two kinds of Caldari in this cluster - the nations on Caldari Prime and the other worlds in the Union that contain Caldari nation-states - and the Caldari State who resides on New Caldari Prime and other worlds in State-controlled regions like the Forge, that arrogantly presume themselves the only "proper" Caldari in existence. You even went to the length of naming your nation after yourselves, as if to rob everyone else of the right to even call themselves Caldari.

Your newly-formed State was created independently of the Federation by the megacorporations who A) was unhappy (to say the least) with Federal policies at the time. No-one can blame them for this, and B) were not interested in losing their superior power and position by setting their now discovered colonies under Federal jurisdiction.

If only, but it seems the Caldari still trapped there are now doomed to being "ethnically cleansed" by the self-proclaimed "champions of freedom."




See? Mass executions already right around the corner. I do wonder, though, what excuses they'll fabricate to "justify" it.


PS - Ya know back when we were still in the business of conquering worlds we were a lot more honest & up front about what we were doing. No hypocritical propaganda campaign needed, it was just "Hey, nice planet, we'll take it." A lot less complicated in the long run when you don't have to train your own people in double-think.

Hmmm... what's this drop-down menu next to Katran's name? What does this say? "Hide posts?"

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HOLY ******* ****.

*laughter*

Coming from you, that was the best joke I've heard all day. Thanks!




And you have just as much evidence that I'm wrong. Only the future will tell who was right.

But what you have right now is a planet that has just been blasted to crap. You have, according to claims, a majority Gallente population who now finds themselves in a position of total power over a formerly dominant minority Caldari population... a Caldari population that they're going to be blaming for every last ounce of pain, suffering & death that has happened so far and continues to happen right now.

You don't need a level five rating in human psychology to see exactly what is going to happen next.

I'd suggest getting out of your pod and spending some time around normal people from time to time, lest you forget how they think.

Ethnic cleansing has never been practiced by the Caldari either sir, I truly hope this was merely an aggravated response.

In fact, separation of Caldari and Gallente population on Caldari Prime was conducted during gallente occupation.
I would like to remind you, what was happening on Caldari Prime before our Navy kicked occupants out:
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