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Jump Freighters are overpowered

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Aessaya
Independent treasure hunters
#221 - 2011-10-30 02:04:07 UTC
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.

Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song.
Centra Spike
Lonetrek Consulting Group
#222 - 2011-10-30 05:19:15 UTC
Aessaya wrote:
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.


How is jump bridging normal freighters overpowered? Is it because it takes massive effort to get a Titan and then move the freighter into lowsec/0.0 to get to the Titan?

Or because it takes more than:

1) Undock from Jita 4-4
2) Right-click capacitor
3) Jump to cyno on station
4) Dock

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thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2011-10-30 15:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: thrulinn
Centra Spike wrote:
Aessaya wrote:
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.


How is jump bridging normal freighters overpowered? Is it because it takes massive effort to get a Titan and then move the freighter into lowsec/0.0 to get to the Titan?

Or because it takes more than:

1) Undock from Jita 4-4
2) Right-click capacitor
3) Jump to cyno on station
4) Dock



Give it a rest noob...Every company, corp and Government looks for ways to move goods, or what ever as cheaply, and as safely as possible. The Jump freighter make this possible in the game. It also make it possible for those moving the stuff to do other things like PVP mission run or mine, or what ever they feel like, and have the burden of having to move stuff as slowly as possible, with the most number's of people they need to help them.
It has its purpose, and its need. So just stop legitimizing why the ship is here.
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#224 - 2011-10-31 05:22:58 UTC
If having easier caught Jump Freighters is desired by others. Here is a good fix for them: Make it so they can only jump twice , (or so), per hour. This creates better chances that they'll be found at Jump Gates.

/End
LtCol RTButts
Abandon AII Hope
#225 - 2011-10-31 11:38:39 UTC
Aessaya wrote:
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.


JF are overpowered. don't think it was inteded from CCP that a ship can carrier 150+ Battleships at once. CCP has killed the industrial segments in all null sec regions with only one shiptype, the JF.
thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2011-10-31 13:12:40 UTC
LtCol RTButts wrote:
Aessaya wrote:
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.


JF are overpowered. don't think it was inteded from CCP that a ship can carrier 150+ Battleships at once. CCP has killed the industrial segments in all null sec regions with only one shiptype, the JF.



Don't make in so obvious your trolling..

Try looking up the stats and see just how many battleships this can actually carry.
Ratnose Banker
Pink Sockers
#227 - 2011-10-31 19:55:23 UTC
CCP nerfed unprobeable ships because they were raking in isk while being pretty much untouchable. Why not do the same for jump freighters?

You can say that JFs do get killed...well so did unprobeable ships.
thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2011-11-01 19:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: thrulinn
See above post LtCol RTButts TROLL...
It can't carry 150 BSs..

I never said how many it could carry..Your the one that said it can carry 150+, but lack the math skills to prove it.
thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2011-11-01 19:51:18 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
thrulinn wrote:
See above post LtCol RTButts TROLL...
It can't carry 150 BSs..

I never said how many it could carry..Your the one that said it can carry 150+, but need better math skill's.

I know I just have a +4 troll bane flaming longsword, that I needed to dust off.



Most here think that just because you don't agree with them 100% your are trolling them...

Nice to flame a troll every so often.
LtCol RTButts
Abandon AII Hope
#230 - 2011-11-01 20:07:49 UTC
thrulinn wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
thrulinn wrote:
See above post LtCol RTButts TROLL...
It can't carry 150 BSs..

I never said how many it could carry..Your the one that said it can carry 150+, but need better math skill's.

I know I just have a +4 troll bane flaming longsword, that I needed to dust off.



Most here think that just because you don't agree with them 100% your are trolling them...

Nice to flame a troll every so often.


hey, you even wasn't able to put a single BS in the jumpfreigther with your great math :) yeah, it is hard without a JF, maybe i can lend you one of my JF fleet?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2011-11-01 20:18:01 UTC
LtCol RTButts wrote:
thrulinn wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
thrulinn wrote:
See above post LtCol RTButts TROLL...
It can't carry 150 BSs..

I never said how many it could carry..Your the one that said it can carry 150+, but need better math skill's.

I know I just have a +4 troll bane flaming longsword, that I needed to dust off.



Most here think that just because you don't agree with them 100% your are trolling them...

Nice to flame a troll every so often.


hey, you even wasn't able to put a single BS in the jumpfreigther with your great math :) yeah, it is hard without a JF, maybe i can lend you one of my JF fleet?

You are right I didn't put a single battleship in, I put seven in and still had room for all the modules to fit it.

My goodness this is a hard troll to kill. I will just have to keep it up till I land a crit

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Lokie00
Doomheim
#232 - 2011-11-02 02:04:15 UTC
build mwds and a jf can damn near carry a titan
thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2011-11-02 02:57:19 UTC
LtCol RTButts wrote:
Aessaya wrote:
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.


JF are overpowered. don't think it was inteded from CCP that a ship can carrier 150+ Battleships at once. CCP has killed the industrial segments in all null sec regions with only one shiptype, the JF.


Remember this.

What you make such a blatantly obvious troll post and then to do nothing to prove your self correct, or even correct your self, and ignore Omnathious Deninard's post do to the fact you knowingly made a troll post, and then think I am trolling just to prove your not.

You get caught trolling and now you cry acting like you know something. What did you just now read this entire thread, or did you find some you like to try and show that YOU ARE NOT A TROLL.

You made it way to easy to make you look like a fool trolling, and now you try to prove you know something just to act like your not trolling. You think I know nothing about this game just to prove your not a troll?

Next time you make a troll post get your fact's right, learn math, and try reading the entire thread, and don't just pick a post you don't understand just to make your self look good.
LtCol RTButts
Abandon AII Hope
#234 - 2011-11-02 09:20:19 UTC
thrulinn wrote:
LtCol RTButts wrote:
Aessaya wrote:
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.


JF are overpowered. don't think it was inteded from CCP that a ship can carrier 150+ Battleships at once. CCP has killed the industrial segments in all null sec regions with only one shiptype, the JF.


Remember this.

What you make such a blatantly obvious troll post and then to do nothing to prove your self correct, or even correct your self, and ignore Omnathious Deninard's post do to the fact you knowingly made a troll post, and then think I am trolling just to prove your not.

You get caught trolling and now you cry acting like you know something. What did you just now read this entire thread, or did you find some you like to try and show that YOU ARE NOT A TROLL.

You made it way to easy to make you look like a fool trolling, and now you try to prove you know something just to act like your not trolling. You think I know nothing about this game just to prove your not a troll?

Next time you make a troll post get your fact's right, learn math, and try reading the entire thread, and don't just pick a post you don't understand just to make your self look good.


lol,

okay, we learn some math.

with non opimized mineral compression i can carry all stuff for 184 geddons in a rhea. with 11 amarr fabslots in the destination system the job is done in ~26 hours. by this huge amout of ships it should be okay, jumping them with your system into destination will take longer and is much more expensiver.

the entire thread, hm, i read it. i saw you just trolling against everybody who told something against your wet dream of a ship, an own JF, the SC in logistic efforts.

and yeah, you don't know the important game mechanics for logistic efforts. you are just a TROLL who don't accept other oppinions, you cry all the time for better "arguments" but you can't understand what people talking about.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#235 - 2011-11-02 12:27:59 UTC
JF are fine and not overpowered at all.
I use one.
thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2011-11-02 13:07:06 UTC  |  Edited by: thrulinn
LtCol RTButts wrote:
thrulinn wrote:
LtCol RTButts wrote:
Aessaya wrote:
Given that JFs are the only T2 capital ship in existance I'd say they can stay this way. Also, transporting unrepackaged ships in a JF? UMAD? It can fit at most 3 cruiser hulls or one BC hull, no more. I'd rather use Orca for this than the expensive JF. Or a carrier if in low/null-sec.

And no, JFs are not overpowered. Jump-bridging regular freighters is.


JF are overpowered. don't think it was inteded from CCP that a ship can carrier 150+ Battleships at once. CCP has killed the industrial segments in all null sec regions with only one shiptype, the JF.


Remember this.

What you make such a blatantly obvious troll post and then to do nothing to prove your self correct, or even correct your self, and ignore Omnathious Deninard's post do to the fact you knowingly made a troll post, and then think I am trolling just to prove your not.

You get caught trolling and now you cry acting like you know something. What did you just now read this entire thread, or did you find some you like to try and show that YOU ARE NOT A TROLL.

You made it way to easy to make you look like a fool trolling, and now you try to prove you know something just to act like your not trolling. You think I know nothing about this game just to prove your not a troll?

Next time you make a troll post get your fact's right, learn math, and try reading the entire thread, and don't just pick a post you don't understand just to make your self look good.


lol,

okay, we learn some math.

with non opimized mineral compression i can carry all stuff for 184 geddons in a rhea. with 11 amarr fabslots in the destination system the job is done in ~26 hours. by this huge amout of ships it should be okay, jumping them with your system into destination will take longer and is much more expensiver.




See if you started out something like this you might have been fine, not with the 150+ BSs this ship can hold, and I see you still have not figured this out. To bad your first post was troll. Should we look up your second troll post?

You really should go and read the hole thread, as I only repelled to 2 or 3 not everyone. and just because I have a different opinion I'm a trolling? but you proved to fail to understand that you did troll.

Like I told another here most here think that just because you don't agree with them 100% your are trolling them, to bad you are the troll here.

It's really to late for you to try and prove you know something, face it you got caught trolling, called on it, and you lost.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#237 - 2011-11-02 14:35:01 UTC
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
LtCol RTButts
Abandon AII Hope
#238 - 2011-11-02 18:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
thulinn,

you want me to do the math and i did it, okay, was not what you have expected and want to see, but it how it works to deliver 0.0 markets most efficient. okay, with your argumentations, i had no argument because you only accept the BS transport as endproduct and thats a maximum of 7 if you transport and read the infor from a tier 1 BS correct.

on the other hand you ask how a tier 1 BS should fit into a JF when is has a volume of 480k m³ ..... at this point your argument didn't fit with even a single BS gets into a JF cargohold at the end.

good luck in the future :)


Edit: Inappropriate parts removed, CCP Phantom.
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#239 - 2011-11-05 01:49:33 UTC
Meh, he just doesn't want his solopwnmobile nerfed.
Pothead Alar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#240 - 2011-11-05 16:50:43 UTC
I guess it really dose not matter that a few think its OPd or what ever. A dev moved this from where ever it was started to the I don't give a **** section, to discuss ship fit ups that the players think works best giver there experience/ views.
More like them, then those who do not.
They put this ship in, and a few other mechanics to please the masses, not the few.