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GEEKS NEEDED! - Titan Falling From the Sky

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-03-24 12:57:36 UTC
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
let's not forget that the damn thing is made largely of tritanium , which is said in the lore to explode when exposed to pressure.

Titan nuke anyone ? P


not nuke lol no.
Just a chemical explosion .
Its essentially like C4 then lol
which then reckon the question.
How do you even armor tank ?

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-03-24 13:14:13 UTC
Whatever the math.. my point stands.. there are now no more dinosaurs on Caldari Prime.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

stoicfaux
#23 - 2013-03-24 13:36:07 UTC
Potential fly in the ointment, if Eve ship engines experience drag in space, is there any reason why the titan wouldn't experience drag when falling into a gravity well?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#24 - 2013-03-24 13:44:31 UTC
I approve of Nerd Eden.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-03-24 13:50:47 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
AH!
But what you are ignoring is that the Titan is NOT orbiting Caldari Prime , instead , its just hovering above the planet powered by space magic .

But yes, I need a friendly physicists for this lol.



I raise your AH! with an AH-HA! It is in fact orbiting Caldari Prime, as it was positioned over a major city - without a Geostationary Orbit, the Titan would lose its position after only a few minutes of actually being above the planet. Which in turn has added another factor into the equation.. woot.

A shame that only the planet surface rotates in EVE - it would be awesome to warp to a planet and it be on the opposite side of the system the next time you arrive...

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-03-24 13:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Arline Kley wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
AH!
But what you are ignoring is that the Titan is NOT orbiting Caldari Prime , instead , its just hovering above the planet powered by space magic .

But yes, I need a friendly physicists for this lol.



I raise your AH! with an AH-HA! It is in fact orbiting Caldari Prime, as it was positioned over a major city - without a Geostationary Orbit, the Titan would lose its position after only a few minutes of actually being above the planet. Which in turn has added another factor into the equation.. woot.

A shame that only the planet surface rotates in EVE - it would be awesome to warp to a planet and it be on the opposite side of the system the next time you arrive...



It is???
I thought it was just hovering above it since everytime I warp to the bookmark its still at the same position . lol
Guess I'm wrong.

oooh man ... that complicates things .
Now it could be at least 35,786 km above surface lol .
THERE WON'T BE A PLANET LEFT if it hits lol

BUT WAIT A MINUTE!!
If its on a GEO orbit .. it won't even fall down within 30-40 years lol

IT HAS to be stationary for the titan to fall out of the sky like that..
The orbit keeping space magic engine failed and then it free fall down to Caldari Prime.

if not , why would it fall?

The disappearance of suspension of disbelief?

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#27 - 2013-03-24 13:59:00 UTC
Confirming that the explosion of the secondary warp core will tear a hole into the crust, rendering Caldari Prime a barren planet in the long run. It will also ignite the atmosphere. Everybody is dead.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#28 - 2013-03-24 14:02:13 UTC
i think in game that planet is much much bigger than earth,and ppl on it are big as elephants and they eat titans on regular basis. :)

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2013-03-24 14:40:13 UTC
Ok, I started working out the kinetic energy of 1/3rd of the Titan falling out of the sky:

Taking rough estimates of the height and width of the levi (4.5km and 3km) gives me a total of 81km³

Mass: 810,000,000,000kg - one third the value on the info sheet for the titan. Screw trying to figure out exactitudes here.

11.2km/s is for an Earth-Type body - Caldari Prime is 38.6km/s.


That gives a Kinetic Energy of : 603,433,800,000,000,000J: 603 QUADRILLION Joules.




I'm.. i'm not going any further. Caldari Prime would crack under the impact. Not destroy; that would require something far more massive and going faster - crack. As in, "Oh hi, this is the Mantle."

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-24 14:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Arline Kley wrote:
Ok, I started working out the kinetic energy of 1/3rd of the Titan falling out of the sky:

Taking rough estimates of the height and width of the levi (4.5km and 3km) gives me a total of 81km³

Mass: 810,000,000,000kg - one third the value on the info sheet for the titan. Screw trying to figure out exactitudes here.

11.2km/s is for an Earth-Type body - Caldari Prime is 38.6km/s.


That gives a Kinetic Energy of : 603,433,800,000,000,000J: 603 QUADRILLION Joules.




I'm.. i'm not going any further. Caldari Prime would crack under the impact. Not destroy; that would require something far more massive and going faster - crack. As in, "Oh hi, this is the Mantle."




and then the ejecta will give us a new australia .

I didn't bother to check the mass of the leviathan lol . me so dumb dumb

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stoicfaux
#31 - 2013-03-24 16:07:45 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:

The orbit keeping space magic engine failed and then it free fall down to Caldari Prime.

if not , why would it fall?


Given that wrecks in Eve are stationary (i.e. they carry no momentum even after that 3k m/s interceptor explodes) you don't even need an active station keeping engine.

I don't think you can even bump wrecks into moving.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#32 - 2013-03-24 16:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Cough* Caldari Prime is very unlike Earth Cough*

Caldari Prime

290 K Temperature
3.5e+25kg Mass
2907.7 g/cm3 Density
10,3 m/s^2 Surface Gravity
38.6 km/s Escape Velocity
646.36 kPA
30,217 km radius

vs

Earth

287K Temeprature
5.972e +24kg Mass
5.52 g/mc3 Density
9.78 m/s^2 Surface Gravity
11.2 km/s Escape Velocity
101.325 kPA
6,371 km radius

Also as someone else pointed out the entire leviathan is like 0.7% the density of iron. Also if anyone would like to count the amount of shots the leviathan took while getting blasted in armor and subtract that mass as those where likely antimatter shots. Then we need to figure out how large where the reactors on a Caldari titan and how much mass is required to to be destroyed to collapse the black holes Caladari uses for power sources (though I suspect its more of an explosion and not implosion based, that the containment is to make sure there is sufficient gravity and without containment the artifical gravity cannot contain the artifical mass expansion.)

There is also the question how much of the ship was floating towards the surface? What if the front end broke off and burnt completely? from the ground most of the rear end did not make it either and its very odd, because the leviathan is pointing nose up. Not nose in the dirt and with Leviathans normally being front end heavy well it would seem she probably snapped in half somewhere on the way down.

I do believe the air-pressure on caldari prime would have likely lead to much more of the titan burning up, after all in order to get more air pressure you need a FAR thicker atmosphere. Also while alloyed tritanium may not explode in atmo-sphere we don't know exactly at what heat energy is needed to break the bonds in the alloys to separate the molten hot tritanium into exploding with all the hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen in the air.

Finally lets not forget all eve ships do have a gravity core for navigation. while the phsyics of it are a bit wonky it does allow for the submarine phsyics that both star trek and eve online seem to like to enjoy.

Anyways I suggest by figuring out the closer density/mass to the leviathan by getting all the minerals together then all capital parts. Then whatever is left fill with air. Always pick the most massive/dense state of the materials though to hopefully not get the plank bubble numbers of an uncompressed universe.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-24 16:37:40 UTC
The acceleration toward the planet is most likely wrong because gravity is not as strong on an object 200 km away.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#34 - 2013-03-24 16:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
A friend of mine once said "Every business needs a Science Department. I don't care if it's a restaurant, a laundry mat or a bowling ally. There needs to be at least one colossal science nerd there who gets veto power over all management decisions based on their superior knowledge of what is and is not actually physically possible."

Heed this advice, CCP, or you'll keep ending threads like this one until you feel stupid as your own word censor list.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-03-24 16:58:29 UTC
Apparently , I was VERY misinformed and uninformed when I made this thread!

TO THE CALCULATORS!

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#36 - 2013-03-24 16:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
So y'all want some hard sci-fi? Some really realistic stuff?

Truth is all of these things like lasers, railguns, projectile weapons, missile launchers, armor, shields would be completely and utterly pointless to a society capable of light speed and FTL travel.

As soon as a society is capable of attaining light speed travel, a mass traveling at light speed is the be all and end all weapon. AKA a relativistic kill vehicle.

In the face of that, all these other sci-fi space toys are the equivalent of fighting a modern war with an atlatl and a sling. Or maybe just your fists and teeth.

A 1kg mass traveling at C will hit with the impact of 10.75 megatons. To reach the estimated yield of the 65 milion year ago asteroid, a mere 10 million kg (10,000 tonnes) is all that's required.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#37 - 2013-03-24 17:02:48 UTC
Another factor I would like to restate is Air pressure may have impact on the shock wave, however from what I understand usually for the worse (as explosions in real water typically travel much further. Actually this could be a good thing because the energy is the same but not imparting as much along the way) but I am no armageddeonist.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#38 - 2013-03-24 17:03:33 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
So y'all want some hard sci-fi? Some really realistic stuff?

Truth is all of these things like lasers, railguns, projectile weapons, missile launchers, armor, shields would be completely and utterly pointless to a society capable of light speed and FTL travel.

As soon as a society is capable of attaining light speed travel, a mass traveling at light speed is the be all and end all weapon. AKA a relativistic kill vehicle.

In the face of that, all these other sci-fi space toys are the equivalent of fighting a modern war with an atlatl and a sling. Or maybe just your fists and teeth.

A 1kg mass traveling at C will hit with the impact of 10.75 megatons. To reach the estimated yield of the 65 milion year ago asteroid, a mere 10 million kg (10,000 tonnes) is all that's required.


/me throws up electronic warfare and watches you miss your shot.

While a planet may have a hard time dodging a starship would have no issue.

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#39 - 2013-03-24 17:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Imagine several hundred 10 ton projectiles traveling at C that explode like a shrapnel shell a fraction of a second in front of you, breaking into 10,000 one kilogram chunks apiece that continue to also travel at C.

Best of luck even knowing those projectiles are headed in your general direction in the first place, then dodging a few million pieces of 10 megaton speed-of-light space buckshot.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-03-24 17:15:17 UTC
hmmm speaking of light speed , here is an interesting thought.
Would you even be able to see the projectile before it hits?

The projectile itself is already travelling at 99.99999999999999% C, light can go no faster .
So when you see it , it already has hit.

Makes you wonder why did they even invent the railgun or are still using missiles.

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