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solo plexers shooting their militia mates
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Grendel Sickswitch
#1 - 2013-03-23 19:08:27 UTC
when i solo plex i let anyone come into the plex i'm in. i really don't care, it's not "my plex" and i didn't do much "work" on it. a few seconds shooting a single npc and then floating in space for a few minutes.

it seems most militia mates i've come across will actually tell you to leave "their" plex and shoot you if you don't.

i find this a bit sad.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#2 - 2013-03-23 20:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: L'ouris
It's because you are running into folk plexing for their income.

Since the timer doesn't speed up with multiple players on the button, but does split the earned lp among all folk in capture range, any time you drop in on a plex someone else is running without an invitation, you are literally accomplishing nothing but screwing the both of you out of lp.

Get in a capture fleet or two, its more common for small gangs to plex together closer to the front. This is when the plexes are being run more for system control than isk so the "protocol" is different. Even then, unless your gang is contesting sites it's usually better for everyone to scatter to a different site to knock the system down as fast as possible.

Edit: spellchecker not helpful
Grendel Sickswitch
#3 - 2013-03-23 20:35:04 UTC
i don't mind sharing LP with militia mates.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#4 - 2013-03-23 20:59:40 UTC
You clear the plex, your rules until someone fights you for control :)

The issue you are running into, is that you are hurting their ability to make money while they are out to make money.

This makes them grumpy. If you took the plex, and someone jumps into it, feel free to fleet up and share the lp.

It sounds like you are not plexing with isk/hr as the goal, which is good. Just remember some others are, and if you crash their plex without invitation, you are screwing with their math formula.
Grendel Sickswitch
#5 - 2013-03-23 21:57:37 UTC
i hear ya, just seems stupid militia fighting amongst themselves. imagine you jump into an enemy plex and the two wts are fighting each other lol
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#6 - 2013-03-24 03:10:22 UTC
when that happens the protocol is to guess who is worth more and whore on the km
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#7 - 2013-03-24 04:34:38 UTC
it is in general considered "not nice" if you enter a plex short before the timer ends, without warping out or moving out of range of the beacon. But it all depends on the context and the actual situation in system. Enable your brain and be friendly and nobody will shoot you unless someone joined militia for friendly fire in the frist place.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2013-03-24 05:16:37 UTC
Gain a reputation for killing friendlies (or find and join people who already have it). No one will complain about some lost LP when your mere presence threatens THEIR existence.Twisted

How did you Veterans start?
Grayson Cole
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-03-24 05:18:46 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
it is in general considered "not nice" if you enter a plex short before the timer ends, without warping out or moving out of range of the beacon.


That's crap.

The plexing system is a free-for-all, and while it sucks to run down a timer only to have someone else warp in at the last minute, it's not the end of the world to share LP. If they are making it a habit to follow you around and leech, then that's one thing.

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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#10 - 2013-03-24 08:42:44 UTC
Grayson Cole wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
it is in general considered "not nice" if you enter a plex short before the timer ends, without warping out or moving out of range of the beacon.


That's crap.

The plexing system is a free-for-all, and while it sucks to run down a timer only to have someone else warp in at the last minute, it's not the end of the world to share LP. If they are making it a habit to follow you around and leech, then that's one thing.


You need to consider that most people in FW are after easy LP and nothing else.

Sadly, that's the state of FW especially now with constant T4 bonus. Cry

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Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
#11 - 2013-03-24 10:08:09 UTC
Regardless of what anyone wants or some kind of FW 'etiquette', unless you are going in at the last minute and snatching a bit of LP you will both make more cash and do more damage to the control of the system if you go to your own plex.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#12 - 2013-03-24 10:48:40 UTC
It is not about players, it is about game mechanics that do not support team play. Split lp = no team play.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#13 - 2013-03-24 13:04:49 UTC
Train for missions....
Juoi Milar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-24 13:25:54 UTC
You also need to consider other factors, when your fighting for the militia, you don't have much time to make isk. Add to that the ships that a player is losing and you may realise that the time that a player spends plexing is important to them.

It is fair to say that in a dangerous system that still needs plexing/de-plexing for the good of your prospective Nation, help would be welcomed. But in a system where a player is in no danger and in control of what is going on, there is little point of sharing very valuable LP and by you trying to share you are actually not helping the militia effort as plexing a seperate site of your own would reap more benefits to you and to the war.
Hannah Achasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-24 14:08:43 UTC
Make corp member go BOOM is game of point. Why play for game to pay if not shoot?
Grayson Cole
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-03-24 15:05:44 UTC
Juoi Milar wrote:
You also need to consider other factors, when your fighting for the militia, you don't have much time to make isk. Add to that the ships that a player is losing and you may realise that the time that a player spends plexing is important to them.


Then you're doing it wrong. Making ISK is one of the biggest attractions to FW. The barrier to entry is low, the ships required are cheap, and the potential rewards are high. Yes, it's not as lucrative as it once was, but still very easy to turn a profit. I know a lot of players who still have hundreds of Navy Scorpions to sell.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#17 - 2013-03-25 05:40:08 UTC
Farmers have no use for LP/isk so the real militia members might as well take it for useful purposes.

A higher number in your wallet doesn't help your faction - so if you look like a State Pro farmer - I'll drop myself and my alt in your plex and take 2/3 of your LP.



My favorites are the Militia with incorrect overview setups who leave the plex when I warp in - leaving me very little of the timer to run. :)

I often get paid out on mediums for only 1-2 min of button spinning.
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BadFC
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-27 22:56:29 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
when i solo plex i let anyone come into the plex i'm in. i really don't care, it's not "my plex" and i didn't do much "work" on it. a few seconds shooting a single npc and then floating in space for a few minutes.

it seems most militia mates i've come across will actually tell you to leave "their" plex and shoot you if you don't.

i find this a bit sad.


run missions.
BadFC
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-03-27 22:57:32 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Farmers have no use for LP/isk so the real militia members might as well take it for useful purposes.

A higher number in your wallet doesn't help your faction - so if you look like a State Pro farmer - I'll drop myself and my alt in your plex and take 2/3 of your LP.



My favorites are the Militia with incorrect overview setups who leave the plex when I warp in - leaving me very little of the timer to run. :)

I often get paid out on mediums for only 1-2 min of button spinning.
Being -5 has advantages.



that's awesome...
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#20 - 2013-03-28 00:56:27 UTC
BadFC wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Farmers have no use for LP/isk so the real militia members might as well take it for useful purposes.

A higher number in your wallet doesn't help your faction - so if you look like a State Pro farmer - I'll drop myself and my alt in your plex and take 2/3 of your LP.



My favorites are the Militia with incorrect overview setups who leave the plex when I warp in - leaving me very little of the timer to run. :)

I often get paid out on mediums for only 1-2 min of button spinning.
Being -5 has advantages.



that's awesome...



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https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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