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Confused about the upcoming Summer 2013 change
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Snuskpelle
Snusk Inc.
#1 - 2013-03-22 12:09:09 UTC
Hi,
Ok so the skill requirements for the ships will be changed in the summer update.

Some people state they have changed their skill training to benefit from the update.
How?

We get the general piloting skill reimbursed from what I understand so if I have destroyer
and BC at V I get skill points to place on different skills instantly right?

But what would be the point now starting to max the skills which get reimbursed? Will I get
more SP then invested in training? Does it save time somehow?

I tried reading the dev post but got lost in all the details and could not figure out what the right
thing to do would be for me.

kind regards
Snusk
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2013-03-22 12:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
you're a bit off.

Assuming that right now you have "Amarr Cruiser 4" and "Battlecruisers 3" (so you can CURRENTLY fly an Oracle), you will get "Amarr Battlecruiser 3" in MayJune. The same applies for Destroyers and their relevant frigate prerequisite.

If you have Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar Cruiser 4 and Battlecruisers 5 (so you can CURRENTLY fly all 4 of the tier3 BC hulls "perfectly", gunnery and support skills assumed), you will get all four (Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar) Battlecruiser skills at L5. The same applies for Destroyers and the relevant frigate prerequisite.

KEEP IN MIND -- The "Battlecruisers" skill currently only has "Spaceship Command" (L4) listed as a prerequisite. The Battlecruiser hulls themselves are what have "[Racial] Cruiser" (L4) listed as a secondary prerequisite. After the June update, presumably the new "[Racial] Battlecruiser" skill will require "[Racial] Cruiser" (L3) as a prerequisite to train it, and the hulls themselves won't have the cruiser skill as a hard prereq (i.e. it'll just be under the tree for "[Racial] Battlecruiser").

you WILL NOT get any SP to freely apply to whatever you like. You will however get approximately 6m SP added to your current SP count, accounting for those eight skills, assuming you warrant L5 of all four Dessie and BC skills.


Edited for people who can't read.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-22 12:45:02 UTC
You only get SP reimbursed IF and only if you have the destroyer skill trained without any prerquired frig to level 3 (unlikely to meet). Or battlecruiser skill trained wirhout any cruiser skill.

The change in skillplan of people is to trainone skill now and instead of 4 different ones after the patch.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#4 - 2013-03-22 13:07:13 UTC
No, you're too late to do anything about it, don't bother training Destroyers or BCs.

(Quality of advice may be proportionate to your ability to perform basic internet functions like "search".)
Merouk Baas
#5 - 2013-03-22 13:09:58 UTC
Currently what happens is this:

You train Caldari Frigate to 4 - you can fly Caldari frigates well.

You train Destroyers to 4 - you can fly Caldari destroyers well. Even though the "Destroyers" skill is generic, because of the prerequisites that are listed on the ships themselves, you'll only be able to fly the Caldari Destroyers.

You then train Gallente Frigate to 4 - and you can suddenly fly Gallente frigates AND Gallente Destroyers. The generic "Destroyers" skill suddenly applies to more ships.

CCP wants to change this so that you train a skill and you get a ship, not 2 ship lines. So instead of a generic "Destroyers" skill, they're splitting it into 4 skills: Caldari Destroyers, Gallente Destroyers, Amarr Destroyers, and Minmatar Destroyers.

But how to reimburse people? How to make the transition once they make the change?

So what will happen is this:

- Your generic "Destroyers" skill will be removed.
- If you have Caldari Frigate trained to 3, you will get a Caldari Destroyer skill added to your character.
- If you have additional frigate skills (Gallente, Amarr, Minmatar), you will get the Gallente, Amarr, or Minmatar Destroyer skills also added to your character.

So, basically, you can gain more skill points than others by training additional frigates now.
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#6 - 2013-03-22 13:16:56 UTC
"More skill points" doesn't get you anything, except a more expensive clone.
It is true that if you will be getting the racial BC's to 5 at some point, you will save a lot of time by doing it before the split.
But if you have no interest in specializing in BC's, then it's a waste to train BC to 5, now or later.
Too many people are pushing the "must train BC and Dessie to 5" thing, even to 1 or 2 month old characters. To a new player, it's quite bad advice.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-22 14:07:48 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
No, you're too late to do anything about it, don't bother training Destroyers or BCs.

(Quality of advice may be proportionate to your ability to perform basic internet functions like "search".)


I support this idea.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-22 14:13:46 UTC
Aptenodytes wrote:
"More skill points" doesn't get you anything, except a more expensive clone.
It is true that if you will be getting the racial BC's to 5 at some point, you will save a lot of time by doing it before the split.
But if you have no interest in specializing in BC's, then it's a waste to train BC to 5, now or later.
Too many people are pushing the "must train BC and Dessie to 5" thing, even to 1 or 2 month old characters. To a new player, it's quite bad advice.


I agree.

Only train dessie and BC 5 if you intend to use those ships now or in the future. Training just cause others shout you ahould is wrong.

I have 6 accounts yet I only trained 1 character to 5 as I intend to use the T2 ships on that one.

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Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-22 14:15:39 UTC
I've been wanting to start a 9k alpha nado toon for a while now and with a nice little sale and implant bonus I decided on that, so for me training destroyers and BC to 5 is a viable option.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-22 17:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Steve Spooner wrote:
I've been wanting to start a 9k alpha nado toon for a while now and with a nice little sale and implant bonus I decided on that, so for me training destroyers and BC to 5 is a viable option.

Yea, starting an alt on a new account, who you're prepared to keep in station while he skills up only ship skills for now , is pretty much you're only option to make the most of the summer changes from this point on.

Then train all other skills after the change.

Make the most of the remaps, and +4 implants could still get the job done while you play you're main in the meantime.

But to the OP, if you can't understand the dev blog, don't even try this! If thats beyond you you'll mess it up for sure.

Just enjoy the game at a level you are comfortable with, and don't worry about it!

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Leetha Layne
#11 - 2013-03-22 18:01:43 UTC
As far as I know there is no skill reimbursement like with the learning skills.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-03-22 18:15:25 UTC
Leetha Layne wrote:
As far as I know there is no skill reimbursement like with the learning skills.

Correct.
For everyone else, here's the info you need to decide what the best strategy is for you:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234

For the OP: Real men troll with their mains!

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-22 18:56:06 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Leetha Layne wrote:
As far as I know there is no skill reimbursement like with the learning skills.

Correct.
For everyone else, here's the info you need to decide what the best strategy is for you:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234

For the OP: Real men troll with their mains!


Not many people bite.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#14 - 2013-03-22 19:08:40 UTC

If you are going to be a combat pilot... .BC V is generally well worth the training time... BC's are very prominent ships offering excellent damage & tank for the isk..

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-23 00:10:07 UTC
Snuskpelle wrote:
Hi,
Ok so the skill requirements for the ships will be changed in the summer update.

Some people state they have changed their skill training to benefit from the update.
How?

We get the general piloting skill reimbursed from what I understand so if I have destroyer
and BC at V I get skill points to place on different skills instantly right?

But what would be the point now starting to max the skills which get reimbursed? Will I get
more SP then invested in training? Does it save time somehow?

I tried reading the dev post but got lost in all the details and could not figure out what the right
thing to do would be for me.

kind regards
Snusk



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Snuskpelle
Snusk Inc.
#16 - 2013-03-23 01:06:30 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Snuskpelle wrote:
Hi,
Ok so the skill requirements for the ships will be changed in the summer update.

Some people state they have changed their skill training to benefit from the update.
How?

We get the general piloting skill reimbursed from what I understand so if I have destroyer
and BC at V I get skill points to place on different skills instantly right?

But what would be the point now starting to max the skills which get reimbursed? Will I get
more SP then invested in training? Does it save time somehow?

I tried reading the dev post but got lost in all the details and could not figure out what the right
thing to do would be for me.

kind regards
Snusk



Dude, you have the single creepiest avatar picture I've seen in the history of EVE Online. WOW.


hehe as intended..
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#17 - 2013-03-23 17:57:14 UTC
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about slamming out BC 5 and Destroyers 5 before the summer, for a few reasons: 1. You may not actually make it in time, and who knows if CCP will give you SP for how far into lvl5 you are, or say tough sh!t and wipe all your progress from lvl4-->5. Reason number 2. Training such extensive skills will dilute your early game experience, where support skills and basic ship skills are the most crucial. 3. You will most likely get bored during the 30 odd days it takes to train BC5, and you can either sit through it, get bitter, and quit, go afk for a month and not play (why did you buy and account in the first place?), or stick through it like a man while doing minimal other activities. Considering it will be a few months before you could even fly a BC competently with sufficient support skills, I would say do not go for lvl5. Destroyers 5 and BC 4 (along with your assorted cruisers to 3) is perfectly feasible, as it will only take around 2 weeks to complete that.

To summarize teh wall of text, just stick to your support skills/skills you need for now, and don't worry about training for ships that you cannot effectively pilot (SP wise)

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Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-03-23 22:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Relevant to this thread, is that the change has been announced as happening June 4th.

Should help players decide what to do and start a training plan.

http://www.eveonline.com/odyssey/

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-03-24 08:05:30 UTC
And for those setting up EveMon skill plans, that's 72 days away. (I'll be done in 54)
Nicky Scars
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-03-24 08:18:59 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
you're a bit off.


If you have Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar Cruiser 4 and Battlecruisers 5, you will get all four (Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar) Battlecruiser skills at L5.


Now I'm confused too. Is needed racial cruiser skill 3 or 4?
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