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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#1 - 2013-03-24 04:23:34 UTC
and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?

an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?


dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-03-24 04:25:20 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?

an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?


dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?



small diff between falling at 200mph and 30,000mph .. just a small one P

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#3 - 2013-03-24 04:47:48 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?

an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?


dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?



small diff between falling at 200mph and 30,000mph .. just a small one P



given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually...
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#4 - 2013-03-24 04:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactEffects/


Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 10.00 km ( = 6.21 miles )
Projectile diameter: 7.00 km ( = 4.35 miles )
Projectile Density: 8000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 200.00 meters per second ( = 656.00 feet per second )
Impact Angle: 90 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock

Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 2.87 x 1019 Joules = 6.86 x 103 MegaTons TNT

Transient Crater Diameter: 79.1 km ( = 49.1 miles )
Transient Crater Depth: 28 km ( = 17.4 miles )

Final Crater Diameter: 141 km ( = 87.3 miles )
Final Crater Depth: 1.31 km ( = 0.814 miles )
The crater formed is a complex crater.
The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 2340 km3 = 561 miles3
Roughly half the melt remains in the crater, where its average thickness is 476 meters ( = 1560 feet ).


Not so much a cool skybox for the DUST bunnies as it would be game over for the DUST bunnies.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#5 - 2013-03-24 04:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Ager Agemo wrote:
[quote=Sentamon]

given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually...


You forgot to add in the anti-gravitic/inertia distortion fied generators that slowed it down
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#6 - 2013-03-24 04:56:59 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
[quote=Sentamon]

given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually...


You forgot to add in the anti-gravitic/inertia distorion fied generators that slowed it down


and you forgot the part where the engineering section of the ship that powers it, blew up and thrusted the ship even faster downwards?
Grendel Sickswitch
#7 - 2013-03-24 04:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Grendel Sickswitch
Ager Agemo wrote:
and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?

an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?


dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?


impressive. the international space station orbits at 7.71 km/s. indeed the speed of light is some 300,000km/s.

i'm curious why the caldari felt the need to orbit their giant spaceship at 1/300th the speed of light.

maybe they wanted it to go so fast no one would see it?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-03-24 05:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Ager Agemo wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?

an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?


dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?



small diff between falling at 200mph and 30,000mph .. just a small one P



given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually...

Thats assuming the ship didnt attempt a controlled descent with its engines/field-generator, you know, to avoid vaporizing a planet? (stuff like that tends to make militaries lok bad, adn if you can attempt to save as many lives as possible, then blame the other army for shooting you down in such close proximity to possible civilians, all the better).

but hoenstly, in any ship as large and advanced as a titan, they would have some sort of setup to keep the ship and crash site as intact as possible to preserve as much salavghe as they can. just saying.


and as for the engineerings ection blowing up...

please tell em you dont believe a ship the size of a small city wouldnt haev abckup systems such to make SURE it didnt get screwed, i mean, titans are KINDA a larg investment for the NPC factions if i recall.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#9 - 2013-03-24 05:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Ager Agemo wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
[quote=Sentamon]

given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually...


You forgot to add in the anti-gravitic/inertia distorion fied generators that slowed it down


and you forgot the part where the engineering section of the ship that powers it, blew up and thrusted the ship even faster downwards?


Maybe you forgot the forward emergency engineering node all Titans have with last second inertia dampeners accelerators, of course Roll
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#10 - 2013-03-24 05:16:08 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?

an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?


dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?


impressive. the international space station orbits at 7.71 km/s. indeed the speed of light is some 300,000km/s.

i'm curious why the caldari felt the need to orbit their giant spaceship at 1/300th the speed of light.

maybe they wanted it to go so fast no one would see it?



i think i made a lil typo there, i mean that the ship was orbitting above 1 thousand kilometers, not at that speed.

about the inertia dampeners... those actually will make the ship fall faster... inertia prevents an object from accelerating and allows it to maneuver faster with less thrust, and thrust i m 100% certain... was not an option at all on that poor titan.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#11 - 2013-03-24 05:27:05 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
[quote=Sentamon]

given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually...


You forgot to add in the anti-gravitic/inertia distorion fied generators that slowed it down


and you forgot the part where the engineering section of the ship that powers it, blew up and thrusted the ship even faster downwards?

I think everyone in this thread is forgetting its a game in which you can warp through planets and everything is fine. Plus I haven't checked but do you even know what Caldari Prime's gravity is like?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-03-24 05:30:42 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
[quote=Sentamon]

given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually...


You forgot to add in the anti-gravitic/inertia distorion fied generators that slowed it down


and you forgot the part where the engineering section of the ship that powers it, blew up and thrusted the ship even faster downwards?

I think everyone in this thread is forgetting its a game in which you can warp through planets and everything is fine. Plus I haven't checked but do you even know what Caldari Prime's gravity is like?


Not to mention, eve is submarine physics... so the ship would be slowing down as it crashed.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#13 - 2013-03-24 05:32:48 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:

about the inertia dampeners... those actually will make the ship fall faster... inertia prevents an object from accelerating and allows it to maneuver faster with less thrust, and thrust i m 100% certain... was not an option at all on that poor titan.


Slight typo I meant inertia accelarators then Lol
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-24 06:08:12 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactEffects/


Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 10.00 km ( = 6.21 miles )
Projectile diameter: 7.00 km ( = 4.35 miles )
Projectile Density: 8000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 200.00 meters per second ( = 656.00 feet per second )
Impact Angle: 90 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock

Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 2.87 x 1019 Joules = 6.86 x 103 MegaTons TNT

Transient Crater Diameter: 79.1 km ( = 49.1 miles )
Transient Crater Depth: 28 km ( = 17.4 miles )

Final Crater Diameter: 141 km ( = 87.3 miles )
Final Crater Depth: 1.31 km ( = 0.814 miles )
The crater formed is a complex crater.
The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 2340 km3 = 561 miles3
Roughly half the melt remains in the crater, where its average thickness is 476 meters ( = 1560 feet ).


Not so much a cool skybox for the DUST bunnies as it would be game over for the DUST bunnies.
I like how you used the parameters for a solid chunk of iron in those calculations, because a titan is a solid chunk of iron right?

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-03-24 06:42:55 UTC
If you want to talk realistic physics:

Even a controlled decent of an free object that size would dump so much energy down onto the planet it would be catastrophic.

We fly around in space pudding.
Your argument is invalid.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-24 06:52:51 UTC
I thought EvE ships were suppose to burn up if they entered the atmosphere...

Something to do with titanium.



I'm sure theres some lore reason :P
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2013-03-24 07:10:30 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
]I like how you used the parameters for a solid chunk of iron in those calculations, because a titan is a solid chunk of iron right?


Hmm... good point. Considering that veldspar apparently weighs 4,000kg per cubic 0.1 meter (40,000 per 1m/3) while iron weighs only 7,874 kg per cubic meter...

333 Veldspar (13,320,000kg) is 33.3 m/3 and refindes 1,000 Tritanium at 0% loss, and 1,000 Tritanium is 10 m/3... so 0.3003003003003003% is what's left, so 70% of the mass is lost in refining...

13,320,000kg x 0.3003003003003003 = exactly 4,000,000kg (freaky, right?)

So 10m/3 of tritanium (1000 units) is 4,000,000kg versus 10m/3 of iron weighing in at 78,740kg (see above).

Assuming tritanium as the base element of a ship (in order to keep from getting too complicated) then we can redo the website with the new numbers and we get:


Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 10.00 km ( = 6.21 miles )
Projectile diameter: 7.00 km ( = 4.35 miles )
Projectile Density: 400000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 200.00 meters per second ( = 656.00 feet per second )
Impact Angle: 90 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock

Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 1.44 x 1021 Joules = 3.43 x 105 MegaTons TNT

Transient Crater Diameter: 689 km ( = 428 miles )
Transient Crater Depth: 244 km ( = 151 miles )

Final Crater Diameter: 1620 km ( = 1010 miles )
Final Crater Depth: 2.74 km ( = 1.7 miles )
The crater formed is a complex crater.
The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 5.85e+06 km3 = 1.4e+06 miles3
Roughly half the melt remains in the crater, where its average thickness is 15.7 km ( = 9.73 miles ).

BOOM

Of course this assumes that nothing heavier than tritanium is used in the ship's construction and that it doesn't actually accelerate past 200m/2 on atmospheric reentry.

It also assumes that the ship is a sphere. Dang, now I'm curious and will have to pull up the actual Titan stats to do this 100% correct.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Sharon Anne
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#18 - 2013-03-24 07:21:49 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
[quote=Falin Whalen]]....

BOOM

Of course this assumes that nothing heavier than tritanium is used in the ship's construction and that it doesn't actually accelerate past 200m/2 on atmospheric reentry.

It also assumes that the ship is a sphere. Dang, now I'm curious and will have to pull up the actual Titan stats to do this 100% correct.



Yes please do that! Smile
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#19 - 2013-03-24 07:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
How much of that mass was lost from the result of the entire ship going boom. Density of the ship is rather small to begin with (I mean not every square inch is covered in mass) then of course all the chucks that blew out of it when the gallente navy was pounding the hell out of it, then more chunkcs that got lost when engineering (forward section of the leviathan it seems) entirely vaporized and I would like to remind everyone that the reactors on all caldari ships are black holes. I wonder how much mass got destroyed in the collaspe. Especially for a ship her size?

What I am trying to say is one half of the ship may have been destroyed in orbit and those scattered peices are what is still raining down on Caldari prime. Chunks as large as some tanks.

Also from the looks of it she hit 15* from the 90* so that's 75* away from 0/180.

Anyways

Caldari Prime

290 K Temperature
3.5e+25kg Mass
2907.7 g/cm3 Density
10,3 m/s^2 Surface Gravity
38.6 km/s Escape Velocity
646.36 kPA
30,217 km radius

vs

Earth

287K Temeprature
5.972e +24kg Mass
5.52 g/mc3 Density
9.78 m/s^2 Surface Gravity
11.2 km/s Escape Velocity
101.325 kPA
6,371 km radius

From looking at the stats... caldari prime is sorta screwed up.

Less mass but more density and radius? Also isnt gravity more relative to mass? (unless I read the website wrong on the mass part, I probably did. Curse you scientific notation!)

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#20 - 2013-03-24 07:42:18 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
]I like how you used the parameters for a solid chunk of iron in those calculations, because a titan is a solid chunk of iron right?


Hmm... good point. Considering that veldspar apparently weighs 4,000kg per cubic 0.1 meter (40,000 per 1m/3) while iron weighs only 7,874 kg per cubic meter...

333 Veldspar (13,320,000kg) is 33.3 m/3 and refindes 1,000 Tritanium at 0% loss, and 1,000 Tritanium is 10 m/3... so 0.3003003003003003% is what's left, so 70% of the mass is lost in refining...

13,320,000kg x 0.3003003003003003 = exactly 4,000,000kg (freaky, right?)

So 10m/3 of tritanium (1000 units) is 4,000,000kg versus 10m/3 of iron weighing in at 78,740kg (see above).

Assuming tritanium as the base element of a ship (in order to keep from getting too complicated) then we can redo the website with the new numbers and we get:


Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 10.00 km ( = 6.21 miles )
Projectile diameter: 7.00 km ( = 4.35 miles )
Projectile Density: 400000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 200.00 meters per second ( = 656.00 feet per second )
Impact Angle: 90 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock

Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 1.44 x 1021 Joules = 3.43 x 105 MegaTons TNT

Transient Crater Diameter: 689 km ( = 428 miles )
Transient Crater Depth: 244 km ( = 151 miles )

Final Crater Diameter: 1620 km ( = 1010 miles )
Final Crater Depth: 2.74 km ( = 1.7 miles )
The crater formed is a complex crater.
The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 5.85e+06 km3 = 1.4e+06 miles3
Roughly half the melt remains in the crater, where its average thickness is 15.7 km ( = 9.73 miles ).

BOOM

Of course this assumes that nothing heavier than tritanium is used in the ship's construction and that it doesn't actually accelerate past 200m/2 on atmospheric reentry.

It also assumes that the ship is a sphere. Dang, now I'm curious and will have to pull up the actual Titan stats to do this 100% correct.


You've already done enough.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

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