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FW. It's just not fun to me. Any PvP suggestions?

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Njaava
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-23 20:42:37 UTC
Disclaimer: this is not meant as a troll in any way. Also, I'm playing solo, which may be a huge part of why I feel this way.

I've given FW a try, and after a couple of weeks, it's really pretty boring. I started off fighting everything, because it was fun at first, but I soon learned that PvP really is about correctly picking targets. So, I started being more selective, which meant a lot of roaming around. A lot. Capturing plexes seems a lot like mining in low sec. I spin around waiting for the timer or a fight. When the fight arrives, I'm usually outnumbered. In the very rare case that I'm not, I get blown up (which is fun most of the time), or they get away from me because I'm still so new to this (which is also fun). But this all happens very very rarely. FW, like a lot of this game, seems heavily biased towards grouping. This is fine. I like that when you solo at anything in this game, it's tough, because going it alone should be tough.

Okay, with all that said, these are my questions:

1. I see lots of people in FW space that shoot at everyone, and they seem to go solo a lot. That seems like a lot of fun, but I'm not ready to give up high sec just yet, since I run missions for isk. Do you think I would get more PvP if I start targeting the pilots flagged as suspect and criminal? I can just shoot them and get no security hit, right?

2. WH space. I've done some WH exploration in my venture, and found that it was a lot of fun. Is there a good way to PvP in WHs without losing my sec status?

3. Any other suggestions for finding PvP without becoming stuck in low or null sec?

Thanks a lot, in advance.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-23 21:17:34 UTC
Join a corp.

That is all.
Drunken Bum
#3 - 2013-03-23 22:24:44 UTC
try out rvb or agony unleashed to learn the ropes. RVB wont teach you much unless you take initiative, agony is more of a learning corp. Tons of fun fights in rvb though, always someone to shoot.

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie

Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#4 - 2013-03-23 22:55:18 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Join a corp.

That is all.


This exactly. Join a corporation to help you. It'll do far more wonders than anything you'll get here from the masses. Make sure it's a corp that fits what you want, and not vise versa. Don't get emotionally attached just because it's your first, etc...

Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die

Dash Bishop
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-03-23 23:25:55 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Join a GOOD corp.

That is all.


Fixed. There's a difference.

Caldari Militia ☜✫☞

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-23 23:53:49 UTC
There's no sec status penalties for doing pvp in wormholes. Same as nullsec.
Njaava
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-03-24 00:28:52 UTC
Thanks for the replies everyone.

I know, a corp is probably an enormous help, and I may go that way at some point. But I really love going solo in this game. There is something about playing solo in a sandbox game that is very different from playing solo in the typical MMO. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it's just that way for me.

Takseen, thanks a lot for the advice. Before I posted this, I read up on security status on the wiki and a few other places, and I didn't see that mentioned at all. That completely changes the way I see some of PvP in Eve. Maybe I'll build a ship to kill noob WH explorers (like me).

Thanks again.
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#8 - 2013-03-24 02:56:41 UTC
joining a corp doesnt mean you have to compromise solo experiences, it just means you have people to help you come to understand the game better. i've found a lot of people in the warzone who appreciate a good 1v1 as much as i do. much of the time it's with neutrals who aren't even in fw, but as long as they are satisfied to draw first blood i can commit without worrying about sec.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#9 - 2013-03-24 06:14:16 UTC
Suggestions?

I think the grass is greenest in FW, but by all means try other things.

WH doesn't lose sec status, but it's not a place for a low SP pilot soloing in a frig.
Try RVB, you can have arranged 1v1's all day in cheap frigs.

In the end, I think FW has the best options for a solo player, but you may find your niche elsewhere.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-03-24 09:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Completely wrong faction joined (I suppose you were/are a minnie).
Minmatar are:
1.) Carebears in bombers and plexing 24/7.
2.) PVPers you find in minnie militia are
2.a) Never alone and only in 20+ fleets.
or
2.b) never without minimum 1 ogb (mostly 2) and a 2b pod.

That´s why you don´t have fun.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2013-03-24 10:51:19 UTC
I agree, EVE pvp is boring mostly. Only thing that makes it fun is to have friends who amuse you in teamspeak, but you do not have to play EVE for that.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#12 - 2013-03-24 14:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
Your FW duldrum is more situational and less a general criticism of FW itself. Look at the facts on the ground. Amarr is pushed into three strongholds- Sis, Saht, and Kam. If you try to solo in those systems you will have a very unpleasant experience as multiple peeps undock to greet you.

You can roam looking for solo plexers in the back systems. You should expect a lot of roaming and little fighting as you have come to find out.

If you really want a target rich environment - you are on the wrong side.
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-03-24 18:06:44 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
I agree, EVE pvp is boring mostly. Only thing that makes it fun is to have friends who amuse you in teamspeak, but you do not have to play EVE for that.


Anyone who can stand their corp FC squeeking at them can join a corp. For the rest of us it is a solo game--and very very boring. My suggestion for the OP is get a good book and sit in an FW plex. Sure its dull, but if it is a good book the game is worthwhile.

your humble servent
SeaSaw
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#14 - 2013-03-24 18:36:06 UTC
SeaSaw wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
I agree, EVE pvp is boring mostly. Only thing that makes it fun is to have friends who amuse you in teamspeak, but you do not have to play EVE for that.


Anyone who can stand their corp FC squeeking at them can join a corp. For the rest of us it is a solo game--and very very boring. My suggestion for the OP is get a good book and sit in an FW plex. Sure its dull, but if it is a good book the game is worthwhile.

your humble servent
SeaSaw


why to play game if not play game?
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-24 21:05:24 UTC
Flying solo and being in a corp are not mutually exclusive. There are a lot of corps that focus on solo pvp and expect their pilots to get their own kills. Being a member gives you access to intel and a supportive community to ask stupid questions to with the occasional gang roams. For every leet corp their is another bunch of laid back guys. Shop around.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-03-25 08:30:51 UTC
Bad and seasaw.. Why are you still here /o\

Most true bittervets at least unsubscribe before unloading such heavy duty bitter.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#17 - 2013-03-25 09:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Markius TheShed
Join a established long standing FW corp if you can then that corp will have friends which opens up other avenues and fights.

Yesterday I started off in small gang roams of 3-4 then suicided a few cruisers in Vard, Then was involved in a Massive capital battle.

FW was soooo boring yesterday Sad

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-03-25 14:11:53 UTC
If you truly want to go solo and be effective, it usually involves a lot of additional costs. I have a friend that played mostly solo for a while, went to lowsec and started just shooting stuff randomly; he had a lot of fun, but sometimes complained about stuff that I'll try to list (not exhaustively):
- You need to pick a home system in low sec and give up hisec missions entirely; popping high security status targets and their pods will give them kill rights over you; you don't really want to be missioning in a shiny and get steamrolled by a gang;
- you need to finance the ships you'll be exploding in, so you need to run buttons and/or faction warfare missions; you can run incursions when you run out of kill rights put on you, 1-2 weeks and you'll have a PLEX and money to burn; start small (frigates) and pick your fights by staying in the right fw plexes - i.e. stick to novices, don't go in smalls (AFs and destroyers will disintegrate you) or larger (dual web Thoraxes are p. efficient vs frigates);
- you need to use Redfrog to get stuff jumped to your home system; don't fly the stuff yourself because you will be exploded;
- you need to be civil and polite; always offer a gf in local; don't smack talk; my friend actually got blued by local pirates because he wasn't acting like a 3-year old when getting popped;
- you need piloting skills (!= the ones you put in the queue);
- (optional)you need good skills and good implants (think elite certificates, +5% hardwirings, crystals/snakes); the implants are mostly guaranteed to be a one-time investment, because if you know what you're doing it's impossible to get podded in lowsec*;
- (optional) you need a link alt to be able to up-engage small gangs**;

* when you know you'll explode, align to a celestial and spam the warp to 0 button; as soon as your ship explodes you will board your pod and instantly warp out. Make sure to bounce from that celestial almost immediately; do not warp between lowsec systems in a pod; use a MSE II equipped frigate or you'll be smartbombed;
** this does not exclude player skill; a boosting alt isn't an i-win button, but gives you the chance to engage in conditions that would usually mean certain death; in the end, this will grant you more fights.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#19 - 2013-03-25 15:04:00 UTC
1. The people that shoot everyone typically have OGB and a good amount of experience (chatgris) or are just made of awesome (me). Yes anything suspect/criminal can be shot without a penalty. Being a criminal tends to get you more encounters as well. But seriously, join a corp. Even if you want to solo at least you will have people to discuss fittings and tactics with.
2. I don't really PvE so have no idea. You can get some shiny kills from wh noobs tho. They always baller fit.
3. World of Warcraft

Njaava wrote:

1. I see lots of people in FW space that shoot at everyone, and they seem to go solo a lot. That seems like a lot of fun, but I'm not ready to give up high sec just yet, since I run missions for isk. Do you think I would get more PvP if I start targeting the pilots flagged as suspect and criminal? I can just shoot them and get no security hit, right?

2. WH space. I've done some WH exploration in my venture, and found that it was a lot of fun. Is there a good way to PvP in WHs without losing my sec status?

3. Any other suggestions for finding PvP without becoming stuck in low or null sec?

Thanks a lot, in advance.

nom nom

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#20 - 2013-03-25 15:09:13 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
Join a established long standing FW corp if you can then that corp will have friends which opens up other avenues and fights.

Yesterday I started off in small gang roams of 3-4 then suicided a few cruisers in Vard, Then was involved in a Massive capital battle.

FW was soooo boring yesterday Sad


Suicide cruisers? WHO WOULD DO THAT.......Bear

I'm sure that dram would have been tasty if not for that damn crucifier :P
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