Intergalactic Summit

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=217717

Pay particular attention to post #30 Fred. If you were there, check your own logs.

as for firing at the planet, no, fortunately she did not. but she intended to.

For more specifics. a couple of pages in.

[17:57:07] Visera Yanala > THIS IS [CN] SHIIGERU, PRIMARY MAGPULSE PROPULSION SYSTEM FAILURE - WE ARE ADRIFT

[17:57:24] Visera Yanala > PREPARING FOR BOMBARDMENT OF CALDARI PRIME

[17:57:44] Hjalta Bebemangeur > They are falling! Gallente, stay on target! Show the madman what we think of his trampling of human rights!

[17:57:56] Visera Yanala > Visera Yanala > THIS IS [CN] SHIIGERU, PRIMARY REACTOR CONTAINMENT FAILURE - SECONDARY REACTOR ONLINE. PRIMARY MAGPULSE PROPULSION SYSTEM FAILURE - WE ARE ADRIFT

[17:58:28] Aubarell Dogenon > Stop this lunatic, finish her!

[17:59:26] Visera Yanala > THIS IS [CN] SHIIGERU, ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP. REPEAT, ALL ABLE PERSONNEL ABANDON SHIP.

Now, as i say. if you were there check your logs. When I see her saying 'preparing for bombardment of caldari prime' i have a hard time thinking that any could call her a Caldari hero.

[REDACTED] I apologize for my un-professionalism and will not dishonor myself or my ancestors any further with insults and bickering.

I'll let your own words speak for themselves and those who view them make their own conclusion.

I could as easily ask if they teach geology wherever you got your credentials as an "educator," but that would be petty. I'll instead concentrate on "reading comprehension."

Have you read the material posted previously regarding striking a planet with a doomsday weapon?

From reading that, do you comprehend that firing the super weapon *alone* would have achieved what you maintain was the Admiral's plan?

You have painted yourself into a corner. You are not getting out of the corner by pretending to be a geologist, or questioning anyone else's "reading comprehension." On the contrary, you're just making the corner smaller. Right here in your own thread. How tragic.

*This is really a scholastic necessity when producing a theory but I would respectfully like to see the evidence in support of your claim.

*EDIT: Rephrased

I see that your grasp of laser physics and basic chemistry is as solid as your grasp of geology. Good to know.

Words can be illuminating but they are NOT the same thing as actions. Miss Kernher has already pointed out the salient facts - Shiigeru was in position to fire and had the time and resources to do so THREE times before her tragic destruction. She fired zero times - and not just her Doomsday weapon, she didn't fire any of her conventional weapons at the planet, either - and neither did ANY of her escorts.

And don't claim that they had their hands full against the Federation Navy - because the truth was that the engagement was very one-sided and that this was obvious very shortly after commencement of hostilities. If the TRUE objective would have been to destroy civilian planetside targets, the protocol would have been to use the other CalNav capitals to screen the Shiigeru as she proceeded into orbit and fired her Oblivion class Doomsday weapon up to three times.

Compare that to what happened.

Oh, it's a terrible pity. No more runaway atmospheric ignitions or magma balloon planets for me. Boo hoo. You're little thread has been quite derailed already, however, or hadn't you noticed, "geologist?"

I think you do the Admiral a grave disservice - but at the least you should hold her accountable for what she DID and not what you suspect she might have been about to do if, maybe, events had transpired differently.

At the very least, you must agree that had she been eager to carry out those orders, she certainly had the time to fulfil them.

Here is a copy of the logs that were transmitted to the Summit yesterday evening. Relevent quotes have been emphasized.



The first threat of an orbital strike (following the initial attack on DED, and the threat after the initial loss of contact with ground forces that was suppressed after word of Caldari ground forces securing victory) occurred at 17:06. Two minutes later, at 17:08, it was remarked that the Shiigeru was unable to fire. As we already know that the Shiigeru had been moved into position ahead of time, and that Oblivion requires neither direct line of sight nor more than ten seconds to fire, this was either a malfunction, likely the result of sabotage, or Admiral Yanala may have chosen not to fire and simply made an excuse for why she wasn't (though the 17:08 quote does make me inclined to believe it was sabotage). The "adjusting position" remark is the one odd thing here... the Shiigeru was already in proper position. Perhaps the malfunction, if that's what it was, affected the targeting systems and therefore reduced the weapon's optimal range. Alternatively, Oblivion itself was rendered entirely unusable, and Shiigeru needed to adjust range in order to switch to conventional launchers. Either way, this gives the answer to why the Shiigeru was flying towards the planet--not to ram it, but to close range due to its previous low orbit position no longer being close enough (for whatever reason).

Thirty minutes later, a second threat of orbital strike was made. Tubes were "rearming". As Oblivion had not been fired, and had previously been stable and armed, this either means the malfunction had affected the launch system and had therefore necessitated an unloading of ordinance for repairs, or, as mentioned in the previous paragraph, that Shiigeru was in fact arming its conventional tubes--which I assume had been used in combat against the Federation fleet--for bombardment rather than its Oblivion weapon.

Eleven minutes after this (note that an Oblivion weapon takes ten minutes to reload), the primary reactor as well as the engines went offline. The secondary reactor remained online, thus enabling an orbital strike, which Admiral Yanala again threatened. Two minutes after this, she ordered the ship abandoned. The ship was destroyed shortly after. An Oblivion weapon takes ten seconds to initiate and fire, and does not require a straight line of sight to the target. Conventional launchers, if Shiigeru had been forced to use them, are able to fire even faster, and likewise do not require the ship to be pointed at the target. Therefore Admiral Yanala had several minutes to fire either Oblivion or conventional launchers and either couldn't due to possible continued malfunctions, or willfully didn't.


The point remains that either sabotage or willful refusal are the two most likely theories, though the remark about being unable to stabilize shifts the likelihood more towards sabotage, especially since it'd explain why the Federation was so willing to begin a campaign to retake the planet in spite of the threat of bombardment.

Now, I haven't been digging through all of the various threads about the battle so I may be wrong, but I haven't seen much mention of the actual physics involved here. No I'm not talking about things like the actual total destructive capability of the weapon systems aboard the Shiigeru. I'm talking about something any competent combat pilot is well aware of during an engagement, range. I wasn't actually in Luminaire yesterday, but so far I've seen reports of the titan moving into a lower orbit than it was in for years prior to these recent events. My question is...how low of an orbit?

To my understanding the Oblivion weapon system releases a plethora of missiles, but obviously those missiles have effective ranges and limited guidance capabilities after launch. If the Shiigeru was too far from the planet the missiles logically would run out of fuel in the atmosphere or even before it possibly. Wouldn't that leave them...less than ideal for surgical strikes? It stands to reason that attempts to position the Shiigeru might have been taking into account the actual orbital mechanics involved, so that any missile fire from "too long" a range would remain accurate and reach the intended target areas.