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Should Ganking be profitable?

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Ignitious Hellfury
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
#561 - 2013-03-23 18:31:20 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Dev soundwave wrote.

"Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender)."

What is everyones opinion?



You can't control how profittable ganking is. It's not worth it to gank 99% of players, it's the 1% of retards hauling their billions in 1 afk untanked autopiloting hauler. It's only profittable now because people are stupid.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#562 - 2013-03-23 18:33:29 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
And we can change it.
So provide a reason why we should.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#563 - 2013-03-23 18:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ignitious Hellfury wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Dev soundwave wrote.

"Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender)."

What is everyones opinion?



You can't control how profittable ganking is. It's not worth it to gank 99% of players, it's the 1% of retards hauling their billions in 1 afk untanked autopiloting hauler. It's only profittable now because people are stupid.


Or using untanked but otherwise fitted mining vessels, that does fall under the stupid category admittedly.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#564 - 2013-03-23 18:37:29 UTC
Dammit, we never even touched on the bounty aspect of putting bounties on miners and ganking them.


That's another source of "for profit".

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#565 - 2013-03-23 18:39:23 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

The majority does not like to be robbed. It is a very well known fact. How can you ask such a question in the first place?
They may not like it, but then we shouldn't have to like all aspects of Eve. Being as it's pertinent to his thread, I'll ask again.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#566 - 2013-03-23 18:40:33 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Dammit, we never even touched on the bounty aspect of putting bounties on miners and ganking them.


That's another source of "for profit".


Only if someone else is putting the bounty on them. I did enjoy all the rage from bears thinking goons could use tech isk to put bounties on miners and turn a profit by ganking themLol
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#567 - 2013-03-23 18:40:38 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
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The majority hates being robbed.

So why should you?


Today I've lost a SB to a warpdisrupting rat, had to jump 20 times just to retrieve a different ship, and been permajammed by the Caldari Navy for 5 minutes straight. I didn't like any of those things, but I don't want to remove the possibility of it happening either.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#568 - 2013-03-23 18:41:29 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Dammit, we never even touched on the bounty aspect of putting bounties on miners and ganking them.


That's another source of "for profit".

Mother of God, do you really want to open that hornets nest given the OPs consistent record of intransigence and ignorance?

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HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#569 - 2013-03-23 18:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Tippia wrote:
Because the game would suffer from mechanically enforcing restrictions on players' movement. [quote] No it wouldn’t. You would just get shot at. Get some friends together fleet up protect yourself don’t be a victim…same counters many have provided seems pertinent.


Tippia wrote:
What safety net? Being -10 is, if anything, an unsafety net.
the safety net of hi-sec where the ganker/pirate enjoys immunity and the ability to fit and be ready for pvp while they choose which non pvp fit/trained ship they want to alpha strike and prevents others from attacking them to this point. Simple solution you want to be a pirate be hunted like one

Tippia wrote:
So in other words, you have nothing to offer that would prove him wrong and you right. [quote] Sorry do your own research not doing it for you.
So in other words, you have nothing to offer that would prove him wrong and you right.

The point has been stated and restated. I am not his secretary or his keeper. Not my place to teach reading comprehension or take the time to do for him what he should have done for himself from the start.
Whitehound
#570 - 2013-03-23 18:43:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
And we can change it.
So provide a reason why we should.

Plenty of reasons have been give including ideas how it could be changed. All you are providing is criticism. So how about you start doing it, too?

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#571 - 2013-03-23 18:43:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Dammit, we never even touched on the bounty aspect of putting bounties on miners and ganking them.


That's another source of "for profit".


Only if someone else is putting the bounty on them. I did enjoy all the rage from bears thinking goons could use tech isk to put bounties on miners and turn a profit by ganking themLol



Yea lol, I just keep seeing holes in dude's mentality of a special giant pos shield that's highsec is all. "for profit" is a terrible terrible term.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#572 - 2013-03-23 18:44:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Dammit, we never even touched on the bounty aspect of putting bounties on miners and ganking them.


That's another source of "for profit".

Mother of God, do you really want to open that hornets nest given the OPs consistent record of intransigence and ignorance?



Sorry! I'm feelin a bit "saucy" at the moment.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#573 - 2013-03-23 18:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

The point has been stated and restated. I am not his secretary or his keeper. Not my place to teach reading comprehinsion or take the time to do for him what he should have dome for himself from the start.

Where? you can't even answer a simple question without circumnavigating the universe.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

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Whitehound
#574 - 2013-03-23 18:47:12 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

You are asking the wrong question. The question is why should it be easy to rob people and why should it be profitable?

Keep asking the same question again and again and I might report you for trolling! We then see how much you like to ask the question then... Cool

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#575 - 2013-03-23 18:47:48 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

The point has been stated and restated. I am not his secretary or his keeper. Not my place to teach reading comprehinsion or take the time to do for him what he should have dome for himself from the start.

Where? you can't even answer a simple question without circumnavigating the universe.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?


Read. The question has been answered over and over.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#576 - 2013-03-23 18:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
No it wouldn’t. You would just get shot at.
That's not a mechanical restriction. In fact, it's deliberately non-restrictive. More importantly, it is like the exactly because the game would suffer from mechanically restricting people's movement. That's why the pirates and gankers are allowed to roam in highsec.

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the safety net of hi-sec where the ganker/pirate enjoys imunity and the ability to fit and be ready for pvp while they choose which non pvp fit/trained ship thye want to alpha strike and prevents others from attacking them to this point. Simple solution you want to be a pirate be hunted like one
…which is already the case, and as long as they abide by the same rules and take the penalties in stride, there's no reason why they shouldn't be afforded the same immunities and abilities as everyone else.

Quote:
The point has been stated and restated. I am not his secretary or his keeper.
…but you are the person claiming that he's wrong when he says he can't find something. You apparently can't back your claim up, and can only offer abuse and personal attacks instead. Unfortunately, that only really serves to strengthen his point and weaken your claim.

Whitehound wrote:
You are asking the wrong question. The question is why should it be easy to rob people and why should it be profitable?
Incorrect on both accounts. He's asking the right question, because it's just a re-wording of the question “why should the game change?” The OP is asking for a change but can't explain why it should happen.

What you're asking is why the game should remain the same, which is trivially answered by “because there's no reason to change it (and the OP certainly can't provide one).”
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#577 - 2013-03-23 18:48:31 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

You are asking the wrong question. The question is why should it be easy to rob people and why should it be profitable?

Keep asking the same question again and again and I might report you for trolling! We then see how much you like to ask the question then... Cool

Well said sir.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#578 - 2013-03-23 18:50:43 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
And we can change it.
So provide a reason why we should.

Plenty of reasons have been give including ideas how it could be changed. All you are providing is criticism. So how about you start doing it, too?



Well, considering any miner can have friends, can have escorts, can learn how to move ship if any neg status member enters system (I know not an end all be all), can frequent DIFFERENT belts each time you fill a hold instead of returning to the same spot (also means you learn how to use the map and check systems with a greater # of belts).

That's not even mentioning wardecs, alliances, corp activities, skilling up some combat skills of your own... tons of things.

But yes, players can definitely change things up! That's the best part!

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#579 - 2013-03-23 18:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

The point has been stated and restated. I am not his secretary or his keeper. Not my place to teach reading comprehinsion or take the time to do for him what he should have dome for himself from the start.

Where? you can't even answer a simple question without circumnavigating the universe.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?


Read. The question has been answered over and over.


Once again, where has the question been answered? All I've seen from you is the complete avoidance of an answer, that a politician would be proud of when faced with a difficult question, that he doesn't know the answer to.

And just to push the envelope
Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#580 - 2013-03-23 18:53:52 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

You are asking the wrong question. The question is why should it be easy to rob people and why should it be profitable?

Keep asking the same question again and again and I might report you for trolling! We then see how much you like to ask the question then... Cool



2 words; pilot error.

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