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Should Ganking be profitable?

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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#521 - 2013-03-23 17:53:00 UTC
NocturnalDeath wrote:
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Again hi-sec does not exist just to be exploited it should be the best balanced space of the three.


SUBSCRIBER RETAINMENT

What is one of the best ways for CCP to retain new subscribers? For those subscribers to interact with others and develop relationships with other pilots.

How does CCP do this? By encouraging new pilots to huddle together for fun, profit, and protection.

1. Create incentive to join a player corp
2. Create incentive to invest time/isk in the corporation entity
3. Create incentive to work together instead of solo
4. Create a need for pilots to play smarter - allow/buff HiSec Antagonists such as thieves, gankers, scammers, etc
5. Create incentive to fight for each other - functioning wardecs and mercenary mechanics.

__________
"The greatest aspect of this game is not acually the sandbox, ...but is the competitive nature of the game" - Psychotic Monk

This ties into the topic how? So I need 20 of my friends on line to run a solo mission? Even with those 20 friends online the mechanics of hi-sec still favor the gankers. Again this also part of the balance. If you want to be a pirate then I say yarr avast me me scurvy prutid ship mates....then you should be shoot on sight in hi-sec the first time you gank the first person till the day you bio mass. Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#522 - 2013-03-23 17:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
This ties into the topic how?
Ok. That answer the previous question about reading comprehension at least… Lol

Try #4 again…

Quote:
Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.
…or taken back home and given medals for their service to the empire.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2013-03-23 17:57:49 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

This ties into the topic how? So I need 20 of my friends on line to run a solo mission?


No. The point is that activities that encourage being at the keyboard and working with other players are inherently superior to activities that encourage solo gameplay and being away from your keyboard. Both in terms of subscriber retention and new player acquisition, because they generate more interesting content for each other and those around them.
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#524 - 2013-03-23 17:58:52 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:



Nowhere, NOWHERE in this thread, is it even referenced, or mentioned, about how powerful certain ships could be.


Sure it has several times. This tells me you havent read it.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#525 - 2013-03-23 18:00:06 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Dev soundwave wrote.

"Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender)."

What is everyones opinion?


No matter how despicable you or I feel that activity to be, there are always going to be jerks in the sandbox out to ruin your day..

Its your responsibility to insure that their sick idea of fun is not profitable. With the changes to mining barges there is no longer a good excuse not to tank them. If its freight that is particularly valuable you may want to use one of the freight services, you can easily insure it for more than it is worth so they don't get your isk and the freight corp can see to the miscreants.

I've personally never been ganked in highsec when I wasn't autopiloting. I consider that my fault. They should probably fix autopilot to warp to zero and jump or just take the button out. Its just a trap of convenience ccp has put on the screen, possibly solely for the benefit of gankers.



Or enforce you are indeed at the helm and not afk =).


If they want to enforce that they should just remove the button and take away all doubt of their intentions.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#526 - 2013-03-23 18:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.



That would be me among others, in fact most of them were given a "letter of marque and reprisal" by their country to prey upon enemy shipping, including merchants. They stopped being pirates and became privateers.

Sir Francis Drake, an English hero famous for his role in the utter defeat of the Spanish Armada was one such man, he had a letter of marque from Queen Elizabeth I to prey upon Spanish shipping, needless to say the Spanish weren't too happy about it and classed him as a pirate.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#527 - 2013-03-23 18:00:27 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
NocturnalDeath wrote:
Quote:


Again hi-sec does not exist just to be exploited it should be the best balanced space of the three.


SUBSCRIBER RETAINMENT

What is one of the best ways for CCP to retain new subscribers? For those subscribers to interact with others and develop relationships with other pilots.

How does CCP do this? By encouraging new pilots to huddle together for fun, profit, and protection.

1. Create incentive to join a player corp
2. Create incentive to invest time/isk in the corporation entity
3. Create incentive to work together instead of solo
4. Create a need for pilots to play smarter - allow/buff HiSec Antagonists such as thieves, gankers, scammers, etc
5. Create incentive to fight for each other - functioning wardecs and mercenary mechanics.

__________
"The greatest aspect of this game is not acually the sandbox, ...but is the competitive nature of the game" - Psychotic Monk

This ties into the topic how? So I need 20 of my friends on line to run a solo mission? Even with those 20 friends online the mechanics of hi-sec still favor the gankers. Again this also part of the balance. If you want to be a pirate then I say yarr avast me me scurvy prutid ship mates....then you should be shoot on sight in hi-sec the first time you gank the first person till the day you bio mass. Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.




Oh this is good.

First, #4. Specifically; gankers.

Second. Don't need 20 people to do a mission. Especially when you are talking about miners' exhumers getting ganked for profit.

3rd, pirates generally have -10 standings. Which in fact means they are shoot on sight. We have a standings system in place, pod kills being VERY detrimental to those standings. Since eve is first and foremost combat oriented, simple agressing will not incur those steep penalties, although you will get a small penalty.

And lastly, not all pirates of old were hung. Some were simply imprisoned, but that's not the point, because even merchant ships in those times had escorts or even had some guns on deck (in hold/ports) for that very reason.

Enjoy.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#528 - 2013-03-23 18:01:16 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:



Nowhere, NOWHERE in this thread, is it even referenced, or mentioned, about how powerful certain ships could be.


Sure it has several times. This tells me you havent read it.



"numbers?"

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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#529 - 2013-03-23 18:02:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
This ties into the topic how?
Ok. That answer the previous question about reading comprehension at least… Lol

Try #4 again…

Quote:
Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.
…or taken back home and given medals for their service to the empire.


Point being gankers/pirates are allowed to roam around in hi-sec because? This is a hi-sec safety net which only adds to the already existing balance issue.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#530 - 2013-03-23 18:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.



We knighted pirates. One became a Vice Admiral of the royal navy.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#531 - 2013-03-23 18:02:44 UTC
Zyress wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Dev soundwave wrote.

"Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender)."

What is everyones opinion?


No matter how despicable you or I feel that activity to be, there are always going to be jerks in the sandbox out to ruin your day..

Its your responsibility to insure that their sick idea of fun is not profitable. With the changes to mining barges there is no longer a good excuse not to tank them. If its freight that is particularly valuable you may want to use one of the freight services, you can easily insure it for more than it is worth so they don't get your isk and the freight corp can see to the miscreants.

I've personally never been ganked in highsec when I wasn't autopiloting. I consider that my fault. They should probably fix autopilot to warp to zero and jump or just take the button out. Its just a trap of convenience ccp has put on the screen, possibly solely for the benefit of gankers.



Or enforce you are indeed at the helm and not afk =).


If they want to enforce that they should just remove the button and take away all doubt of their intentions.


They used to have it that way in fact. You used to have to own every bm in order to travel.

Before warp to 0 existed.

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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#532 - 2013-03-23 18:03:40 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:



Nowhere, NOWHERE in this thread, is it even referenced, or mentioned, about how powerful certain ships could be.


Sure it has several times. This tells me you havent read it.



"numbers?"

Sorry do your own research not doing it for you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#533 - 2013-03-23 18:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Point being gankers/pirates are allowed to roam around in hi-sec because?
Because the game would suffer from mechanically enforcing restrictions on players' movement.

Quote:
This is a hi-sec safety net which only adds to the already existing balance issue.
What balance issue?
What safety net? Being -10 is, if anything, an unsafety net.

Quote:
Sorry do your own research not doing it for you.
So in other words, you have nothing to offer that would prove him wrong and you right.
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#534 - 2013-03-23 18:05:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.



We knighted pirates. One became a Vice Admiral of the royal navy.

Was this before or after being kicked from the country?
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#535 - 2013-03-23 18:07:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Point being gankers/pirates are allowed to roam around in hi-sec because?
Because the game would suffer from mechanically enforcing restrictions on players' movement.

Quote:
This is a hi-sec safety net which only adds to the already existing balance issue.
What balance issue?
What safety net? Being -10 is, if anything, an unsafety net.

Quote:
Sorry do your own research not doing it for you.
So in other words, you have nothing to offer that would prove him wrong and you right.



The very ones that have and are being discussed through out this thread Tippia.
Whitehound
#536 - 2013-03-23 18:07:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Some one brought up the pirates of old. Were they allowed to sail around the seas unmolested? No they were hunted down and hung.



We knighted pirates. One became a Vice Admiral of the royal navy.

And we chopped the heads off of kings, too.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#537 - 2013-03-23 18:09:48 UTC
Drinks all around!

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Touchin Myself
Thanos did nothing wrong
#538 - 2013-03-23 18:09:53 UTC
This thread makes me sad... Lets take away what makes EVE EVE for the sake of some crybabies that got suicide ganked.

How many of you guys complaining have actually had it happen to you? How many have just heard about it and are being little scaredy cats?

The whole point of EVE is to be an anything goes player run sandbox. What you guys are asking for goes against the very essence of EVE. This is not supposed to be your hand holding solo friendly MMO, if you thought so you where very mistaken.

"Oh but, hi sec is supposed to be safe" WRONG.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#539 - 2013-03-23 18:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
The very ones that have and are being discussed through out this thread Tippia.
What balance issues?
What safety net?
Describe them.

Because all we're doing here is watching you making baseless claim after baseless claim about things that supposedly exist, according to you, without you ever proving it or showing what the actual problem is. No issues or safety nets have been discussed — just implied by you and questioned by everyone else because you can't actually articulate them.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#540 - 2013-03-23 18:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

Was this before or after being kicked from the country?


Knighted for his piracy against the spanish. Made second in command of the royal fleet that defeated the spanish armada seven years later. Also a close companion of the queen.

Seems you know as little history in RL as in this game.