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No relativistic effects in EVE ?

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Alexi Komanov
The Kronos Ritual
#181 - 2013-03-22 02:47:30 UTC
Hey Eternum, what's up?



Also, shed some light onto this stuff you keep saying people haven't asked you about.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#182 - 2013-03-23 14:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Alexi Komanov wrote:
Hey Eternum, what's up?



Also, shed some light onto this stuff you keep saying people haven't asked you about.



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It's mostly just a debate game Alex Big smile It is not about who is right or wrong it is about the ability to break down an argument regardless of how strong the other person believes it, or how logical it may otherwise seem. Like arguing that water is not wet. It's an exercise in human perception and how the left brain talks to the right. Some people turn to religion to explain everything and that makes them feel safe, others turn to science and that makes them feel safe. But in the end it is the same thing from a purely psychological perspective.



To Answer Your Question:


As simply as I can possible put it, there is something in-between two electrons sitting in a vacuum, and every star-trek geek in the world knows that it is there. It is not a virtual field, it is not a smaller particle and it is not a Higgs Boson. It is quite obviously... space-time. So why aren't these particle physics ever talking about it? People keep ignoring space-time., and because our current science keeps ignoring space-time they just keep inventing smaller and smaller particles and weird things like quantum strings, 11 dimensions and inter-dimensional membranes (seriously?)


Space-time is a thing. It probably has a density and it probably has a mass. Charge probably comes from it. Quantum tunneling is probably governed by it. You cannot understand dimension until you understand it. Grand unification will only come after people start to recognize it as a dynamic and fluid medium. Time dilatation (as seen by our GPS satellites) is effected by both velocity and a gravity field. Time can seem to speed up or slow down. This too is a space-time interaction. Even dark energy, I think, can be explained via a space-time effect.



So when someone tells you that quarks are the most basic element of the universe and there is nothing in between them making them interact (which doesn't actually make any sense) ask them how exactly quarks do that? Their answer will likely be something along the lines of god particles, virtual photons or quantum strings. All of which is crap, because now you need something even smaller and more elemental to govern how they interact with one another. So on and so forth into infinity. They give absolutely no regard to the thing that we know is in-between them. The thing that the quarks are sitting in and what is probably making them up in the first place. The dynamic and fluid medium of space-time itself.



So people like Quintessen talk a big game, but they are in fact undereducated. He doesn't think that he is, but he is. Furthermore, allot of people with PHD's are undereducated too (not suggesting that Quintessen has one). When you only seek out information that reinforces what you already think you know, you are "under-educating" yourself. These people are the best kind to play the logic/debate/psychological games with, as I stated above. Because the way they see the world is not based upon logic and sensibility, it is based upon personal belief and what other people have thought for them. Left brain VS right brain. You poke them and you see what happens. It is usually the same thing--a kind of poop flinging self-righteous indignation that resists any new and contrary information. It does not matter if that information is right or wrong, logical or not... it is resisted all the same. But that is the nature of the human animal. Thus the "science religion". Blink



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Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#183 - 2013-03-23 14:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Winters Chill
Honestly,

I think spending hours doing gradiated Delta V burns in order to escape gravity wells might be fun.

Or waiting X years while travelling between worlds, because even though subjectively only 3 minutes have passed travelling at FTL velocities I have to wait for me to catch up with objective space time at my target desination.

That would be a totally fun game.

... What?XEvil

Actually you know what, I ******* hate these threads.

Yes you're smart, you've noticed that Eve isn't a true simulation of the "real world" as we understand it.

Good for you.

Being as smart as you are, you still havn't figured out that time intensive hobbies complicate human endeavour. Like the other smart people, who rather than wasting thier time pontificating play ground science on a computer game forum, are actually out bettering themselves and humanity.

On the other hand, Im here too, so what does that make me. *sigh*.
Tiberius StarGazer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#184 - 2013-03-23 19:18:16 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please!


Do what now? On here?!? You must be joking....
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-03-23 20:40:27 UTC
LOL56 wrote:
Warp drives don't cause you to get anywhere near the local light speed, they create a field (of totally BS space magic) that decreases the mass of the surrounding space (a 'depleted vacuum') resulting in a large negative density for the region around the ship (the 'warp tunnel'), thus raising light speed and allowing speeds of multiple AU/s without even approaching the local light speed.

The downside to to these drives is that when in standby mode (they cannot be turned off safely) the create a force akin to friction that drags the ship into a zero velocity relative to the local gravity well (usually the local star)


+1. Not for the science, for "totally BS space magic".

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#186 - 2013-03-23 23:20:38 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Andski wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

The Game physics are based on a fluidic model; which whilst not being a model of our universe, is much more intuitive to people who live around a planet and drive cars.

EVE would be far too complicated if it simulated true relativistic and newtonian physics, and that would certainly be impossible to manage in a way that lets the game run as many simultaneous connections as it does.

Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please!


tl;dr: "new eden is an ocean"


All joking aside, that's not a bad analogy really :)


Makes sense, given that most of the Minmatar ships already have sails...everyone else just needs to get with the program and make sail boats too.

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