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Idea for Drone Boat.

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Romulus Sorvian
New Roma
#1 - 2013-03-23 10:36:06 UTC
So been playing around with drones a lot lately, picked up an Algos to play around with an idea have it fitted with pretty much only fits and rigs to boost drones and no turrets. Which turns out IMO to be a fun little mission runner for 1s and 2s.

Can stay way outta range an send in the drones which is fun, but also have a couple shield and armor drones to support friend when we run together. So was thinking and this may have already been an idea somewhere and sorry if so, but how bout smaller "Carrier." style ships focused on drones, no weapons hard points.

Maybe something Dessie or Cruiser size even up to BC size if you wanted. Anyways just an idea thought i would throw it out and see. Like i said may already been an idea posted some wheres like it but meh. Let me know what you all think!
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2013-03-23 11:03:32 UTC
The thing is, carriers have no weapon hardpoints specifically to make them a bit more vulnerable as caps. It keeps them from being solo WTFPWN mobiles. When their drones are gone they're pretty well screwed, where as a domi or a vexor does still have some guns to act as a supplement and self defense

The Drake is a Lie

Romulus Sorvian
New Roma
#3 - 2013-03-23 11:36:23 UTC
Yea that's true. Didn't think of it like that. Just thought it might be an interesting Idea as well as a good way of getting used to how Carriers would work in Null and such. And by that i mean getting used to relying on Drones for Damage and Defense.

But I understand what you mean and thank you for your input as well.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-23 12:19:31 UTC
CCP should give us a droneboat without guns, as opposed to a halfassed split weapon boat. Take Domi, remove guns, add 5 more drones. Voila, BS carrier.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-23 12:22:42 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
CCP should give us a droneboat without guns, as opposed to a halfassed split weapon boat. Take Domi, remove guns, add 5 more drones. Voila, BS carrier.

Take dominix, remove gun bonus replace with RR bonus. Voila BS carrier.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-23 12:27:03 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
CCP should give us a droneboat without guns, as opposed to a halfassed split weapon boat. Take Domi, remove guns, add 5 more drones. Voila, BS carrier.

Take dominix, remove gun bonus replace with RR bonus. Voila BS carrier.


It's not a carrier if it can't carry more drones than a gunboat. Capital carrier's max drone fitting of 15 may be too much for BS sized boat, but 10 is perfect, with 5 replacing the rack of guns.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-23 12:34:49 UTC
The sheer venerability of a all drone ship would make it not worth using. Even if they did do that it would still only hold 750m3 of drones, double what its current is, and with no way to efficiently keep them alive you will be a sitting duck in no time.
With a RR bonus you could keep your 5 drones alive a lot longer making better use of the drones you have.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-23 12:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The sheer venerability of a all drone ship would make it not worth using. Even if they did do that it would still only hold 750m3 of drones, double what its current is, and with no way to efficiently keep them alive you will be a sitting duck in no time.
With a RR bonus you could keep your 5 drones alive a lot longer making better use of the drones you have.


Bring a logi, or use sentries. Domi (or any other gunboat) don't have long rr, and still use drones.

Frankly, t1 BS sized range bonused rr logi with bonused drones is unbalancing. If you want BS logi, it should be just logi.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-03-23 12:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
sabre906 wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The sheer venerability of a all drone ship would make it not worth using. Even if they did do that it would still only hold 750m3 of drones, double what its current is, and with no way to efficiently keep them alive you will be a sitting duck in no time.
With a RR bonus you could keep your 5 drones alive a lot longer making better use of the drones you have.


Bring a logi, or use sentries. Domi (or any other gunboat) don't have long rr, and still use drones.

Frankly, t1 BS sized logi with bonused drones is unbalancing. If you want BS logi, it should be just logi.

A very popular way to fit the Dominix is as a logi ship, for the very reason it has bonused drones and a huge capacitor
Edit: I'm saying give the Dominix bonuses for what it is used for, it would not need a rep amount bonus, maybe a 5~7.5% cap reduction and a 500% range role bonus, as to not compete with the T2 Cruisers.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Roime
Shiva Furnace
#10 - 2013-03-23 13:34:43 UTC
Or how about not touching the Dominix, one of the ships that least need any kind of tweaks.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2013-03-24 04:54:58 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
CCP should give us a droneboat without guns, as opposed to a halfassed split weapon boat. Take Domi, remove guns, add 5 more drones. Voila, BS carrier.

Take dominix, remove gun bonus replace with RR bonus. Voila BS carrier.

If they ever made support/logistics battleships, a ship like that could be good.

Some players already fit RR to Domis in lieu of guns as sort of a poor man's Onieros.

No need to replace the current Dominix, though.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-24 05:50:36 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The sheer venerability of a all drone ship would make it not worth using. Even if they did do that it would still only hold 750m3 of drones, double what its current is, and with no way to efficiently keep them alive you will be a sitting duck in no time.
With a RR bonus you could keep your 5 drones alive a lot longer making better use of the drones you have.


Bring a logi, or use sentries. Domi (or any other gunboat) don't have long rr, and still use drones.

Frankly, t1 BS sized logi with bonused drones is unbalancing. If you want BS logi, it should be just logi.

A very popular way to fit the Dominix is as a logi ship, for the very reason it has bonused drones and a huge capacitor
Edit: I'm saying give the Dominix bonuses for what it is used for, it would not need a rep amount bonus, maybe a 5~7.5% cap reduction and a 500% range role bonus, as to not compete with the T2 Cruisers.


Yeah, like I said, it's unbalancing. Long RR plus mobility plus dmg bonused drones in a BS hull. What you're describing are carriers on steroids that are cheap, does dmg bonused dps at the same time while RR the whole fleet and stay mobile... in highsec.

And no, Domi is not a logi ship. Logi ship watches for broadcasts and switch reps to anywhere needed in the fleet with their long RRs. Logi = range = RR coverage. Range is everything for logi, and it's the thing that combat ships can't have while still packing dps, for the sake of balance.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-24 07:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
sabre906 wrote:

Yeah, like I said, it's unbalancing. Long RR plus mobility plus dmg bonused drones in a BS hull.

500% is 54k with large RR, few BSs will have trouble hitting that far. But I will admit this range could be excessive.
sabre906 wrote:

What you're describing are carriers on steroids that are cheap, does dmg bonused dps at the same time while RR the whole fleet and stay mobile... in highsec.

A Thanatos can rep a minimum of 1200HP/s while still doing 1250DPS, this could rep a maximum of 512HP/s while maintaining 475DPS from Ogres. There is a huge difference there.
sabre906 wrote:

And no, Domi is not a logi ship. Logi ship watches for broadcasts and switch reps to anywhere needed in the fleet with their long RRs. Logi = range = RR coverage. Range is everything for logi, and it's the thing that combat ships can't have while still packing dps, for the sake of balance.

Never said the Dominix was a logi ship, I said a popular way to fit it was as a logi ship.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.