Intergalactic Summit

Over the course of the last 12 hours, I have seen multiple posts upon this summit regarding the 'heroic sacrifice' made by the crew of the CN Shiigeru.

Now, firstly let me state clearly that I wish that WAS the case. Unfortunately it was not.

In the final moments of the Shiigeru's existence as a complete vessel, the capsuleer admiral in command turned the vessel towards Caldari Prime, ignited the engines and prepared to fire it's Oblivion weapon at her own homeworld.

The titan itself would have impacted upon exactly the same trajectory as her weapon had been fired had the combined firepower of the Gallente defence fleet and the capsuleer forces that were present not destroyed it's reactor and subsequently the titan itself, before it could fire.

Should Admiral Yanala have succeeded in her plan, Caldari Prime would be nothing but a memory today. It's people dust, and it's biosphere gone. Under orders from either Executor Heth, or a higher ranking Caldari Navy officer, she would have destroyed the planet so many Caldari have fought and died for, simply to keep it out of Federation hands.

Today, a step towards peace has been taken. Yanala's final act in the battle was thwarted, not by the Patriots who stood with her, but by those they call enemies.

Recognise this day for what it has truly been.

Executor Heth, along with the Grand Admiral of the Caldari Navy are both implicated here. Though it would seem, from the repeated suppression of the fire order, that your highest ranking Naval officers have much more level heads than your Executor.

- Tertianus Rethelior

Idiot. You must be counting on everyone here having never seen a Leviathan.

Fun fact #1: The Oblivion is a missile weapon, and requires no alignment.

Fun Fact #2: The Oblivion fires virtually instantly.

Now, maybe the Titan was being prepared to ram the planet, but if the Titan was a leviathan-class (it was) and was fit for capsuleer use (it was) and was fit with the Oblivion superweapon (apparently, it was), then activation was possible at any moment up until the destruction of the vessel. Once fired, the Oblivion is launched, acquires target, and impacts without further reference to the state of the launching titan. If you like, I can even find you capsuleer-recorded videos of said firings.

Now, get your facts straight, or shut the **** up.

Did it take thirty minutes for it to open fire on the CONCORD vessel? Did it require the Shiigeru to leave its present alignment and point directly at the battleship?

And why would the Caldari use a less advanced Doomsday weapon on their flagship? More importantly, why would they bother designing a completely new version of the Leviathan-class Titan just to house a different type of weapon than the standard? You're making up facts to make the Federation look like heroes, when they were far from it.


Also, stated intent means nothing. Anyone can say they will shoot someone else, that does not mean they will ultimately pull the trigger.

I was present in the system for the entire time. What I failed to do was to document commander Yanala's communications. If anyone did, I believe the answer was in those communications. I think the answer is in Yanala's own words. If anyone reads this and has documentation of her communications, please post them here.

Bumping a titan in low orbit is not going to rob it of an intersection between the horizon and its firing cone. This fact is not changed by "being there." The weapon system could have been fired at the planet (once...) at any time.

With regard to "turning directly towards," if one wanted to cause the *maximum* death, one would impact at a shallow angle to rip a trail of destruction across as wide an area as possible. You only have to kill normal people once, sweet pea. Unfortunately, after the Leviathan was rendered a hulk, "the last holoreel recordings to be transmitted from the surface display a superheated trail of burning wreckage thousands of kilometers in length that tore across the sky above Arcurio."

In contrast, a direct hit piles damage up in one place. On occasion fighter pilots in doomed aircraft manage to point directly down, so as to avoid gouging out city blocks. Yes, it's tragic for those in the impact zone. But killing dead things over and over and reducing what's left to plasma isn't actually killing them multiple times. This fact is not changed by "being there."

Good job, "Heroes"-on-the-Scene.

Oh my goodness! "Crack the planet!" Starting from low orbit. Now that is a hoot.

No, no, go on. What *are* your geological credentials? They must be very, very impressive.

If you people can't figure it out by now, I'll give you a hint: your argument is insipid. You'd be better off forging documents from crew members insisting that they sabotaged a crazed Admiral's attempts to... wait, wait, let me get a straight face...

CRACK THE PLANET!

The destructive potential of the Oblivion weapon is not a matter of debate Simon.
Add to that the speed an item the size and weight of a titan can reach even from low orbit and it's like hurling a large shielded meteor at the planet.
A large, shielded meteor filled with ordnance and a reactor that alone has enough destructive potential to cause untold damage.

it's simple common sense. Are you seriously that blind.

And Noh. I've been teaching Geology and Astrogeology for more than three lifetimes. I should hope that I have the right to speak on the subject I have been studying for longer than you have been alive.

On the firing of the Oblivion weapon, it could simply be a matter of the Caldari Navy installing a failsafe to prevent a situation where a single rogue officer could authorise and launch such a devastating weapon on their own. Something as sensible as requiring a paired set of codes to be input simultaneously before the weapon can be fully primed for firing. One set being held on the Titan by the Admiral, one set back in the State, likely with the Executor himself.

It's entirely possible that it wasn't the Admiral that held back. It may be that Heth wasn't insane enough to authorise the firing of a Doomsday device at "Home"

Thing is, unless anyone here has intimate knowledge of the firing procedures of such a weapon when mounted on a Naval Vessel as opposed to an Independent Capsuleer Vessel, then this is all guesswork.

Oh, dear! Good thing the weapon wasn't fired at all, then, isn't it?

No, really dolls, start forging documents to prove the Admiral tried to fire and was prevented from doing so by unspecified heroism of parties unknown. Pointing straight down was not necessary for geological magic to achieve what her weapons could already accomplish. It does however align nicely with a warrior trying to *limit* the consequences of her vessel's destruction.

War is messy, and "inconveniently," the Admiral appears to have actually been a hero.

Noh, long walk, short pier.

I did not state that the event would immediately cause the destruction of the planet, or that it definitely would, i mentioned that it was a possibility.

What i did state would be a certainty is massive tectonic instability around the planet. causing untold damage and death. something that, as you point out, fortunately did not happen.

as for what a planetary crust is. I was attempting to use easy to understand terms, but just for you, i will make it easier.
it's the relatively tiny hardened layer that keeps all the gooey hot red stuff inside.

if words don't help here's a little picture. just for you.
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa427/hazardousarea/Aplanet_zpsbfa6dc1e.jpg
Just in case you are confused, the mantle is made up of magma.

and yes, a heavily concentrated stream of kinetic warheads could quite easily have punched a hole through it. The graviton reactor of the Titan alone is easily large and powerful enough to cause an internal shockwave that would have had some rather extreme effects, including but not limited to earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and tsunami.