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Greytriarch
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-23 09:30:52 UTC
I want to do research and manufacturing for my Corp. I just checked on board into Null with them and ready to start helping out.
However I've been told I can only mine for them because I cant access the pos abilities cause then I can rob them.
Is there anyway to do manufacturing and such on a pos without giving me access to corp hangers? The CEO is not to sure about it. Can I not "rent" a space per say?

Please help. I really want to use my skill set to help advance the corp/alliance with production.

Thank you.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2013-03-23 09:40:44 UTC
Yes, they just need an empty corp hangar division and corp wallet division to assign to you.

Then they lock the BPOs down in that hangar division, and you can safely research and manufacture from them.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Greytriarch
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-23 09:53:16 UTC
Ok sounds good. What role, if any, would they need to assign? Or can they just assign to me the hanger and wallet without corp role?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2013-03-23 09:59:02 UTC
Greytriarch wrote:
Ok sounds good. What role, if any, would they need to assign? Or can they just assign to me the hanger and wallet without corp role?


I believe you want:
Based at: Corp Office that you're going to have blueprints
Factory Manager
Rent Factory Slot
Rent Research Slot
Accounting (Empty Division)
Hangar Access (Based At) (Empty/Locked BPO Division)


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Roles_and_access_rights#Station_Service_Role_Type

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Greytriarch
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-23 10:12:55 UTC
Is more than one factory manager allowed on a pos?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-03-23 10:16:01 UTC
It's just a role. There's no limit to how many people can have any role.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#7 - 2013-03-23 14:10:58 UTC
For manufacturing, you're also going to need access to the POS and arrays themselves to supply the required materials. That may be something the corp doesn't want to allow you to have. About the only fully safe thing the corp can allow you to do is ME and PE research. They can lock down all of their blueprints, give you access to the hangar, and then you can research the BPOs remotely and never require access to the POS. Note: giving you Factory Manager rights can be problematic since there are basically no limitations to it. You can cancel everyone's jobs freely. Hopefully CCP will adress the depressing state of Corp Roles in the future, but I wouldn't count on it.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2013-03-23 20:28:43 UTC
Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:
For manufacturing, you're also going to need access to the POS and arrays themselves to supply the required materials. That may be something the corp doesn't want to allow you to have. About the only fully safe thing the corp can allow you to do is ME and PE research. They can lock down all of their blueprints, give you access to the hangar, and then you can research the BPOs remotely and never require access to the POS. Note: giving you Factory Manager rights can be problematic since there are basically no limitations to it. You can cancel everyone's jobs freely. Hopefully CCP will adress the depressing state of Corp Roles in the future, but I wouldn't count on it.


Everyone has drop access. Just drop materials into the appropriate tab and have a director deliver your stuff back to you once manufactured. Or clear out a hangar tab in the POS and give access to that as an output destination.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2013-03-23 21:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
RubyPorto wrote:
Yes, they just need an empty corp hangar division and corp wallet division to assign to you.

Then they lock the BPOs down in that hangar division, and you can safely research and manufacture from them.

Actually, if the BPO are in a hangar that only has QUERY but not TAKE, that works too. [Use Titles, don't assign roles individually.]

Lockdown will protect against CEO & directors stealing, but even then history has proven that to not always be the case.

Titles:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=785824#post785824
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1639312#post1639312
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1310605#post1310605
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#10 - 2013-03-23 23:11:23 UTC
unfortunately, there's no granularity within roles.

Either you can start (and stop) corporate jobs anywhere, or you can't. And that includes stopping jobs by other people.
It's something CCP needs to work on.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2013-03-24 03:58:46 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
unfortunately, there's no granularity within roles.

Either you can start (and stop) corporate jobs anywhere, or you can't. And that includes stopping jobs by other people.
It's something CCP needs to work on.


Yeah, but (properly set up) there's no real issue of theft, just one of vandalism with the factory manager role. To me, that's a lower bar of trust needed.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-03-24 04:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Thur Barbek
Steve Ronuken wrote:
unfortunately, there's no granularity within roles.

Either you can start (and stop) corporate jobs anywhere, or you can't. And that includes stopping jobs by other people.
It's something CCP needs to work on.


but... that would mean improving or touching industry or corp managment. That would be unheard of.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2013-03-25 10:10:37 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
unfortunately, there's no granularity within roles.

Either you can start (and stop) corporate jobs anywhere, or you can't. And that includes stopping jobs by other people.
It's something CCP needs to work on.


Yeah, but (properly set up) there's no real issue of theft, just one of vandalism with the factory manager role. To me, that's a lower bar of trust needed.



while true, would you trust some new guy in your corp with the roles to cancel a cap/supercap (assuming you're doing that stuff within the corp you hired the guy into, that is). If a job gets cancelled, you lose all the materials ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2013-03-25 10:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Velicitia wrote:
while true, would you trust some new guy in your corp with the roles to cancel a cap/supercap (assuming you're doing that stuff within the corp you hired the guy into, that is). If a job gets cancelled, you lose all the materials ...


I would do my super production in an alt corp, bypassing the issue entirely.

I suspect I would not be alone.

In addition, I'm not sure I see a good reason for being able to share BPOs with untrusted corp-mates without some element of risk. I think the risk of vandalism, but not theft, is a decent place for that risk to be. After all, people join corps for corp thefts, not "Hey, I totally cancelled their Thanatos job, can I get an EN24 article?"

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Velicitia
XS Tech
#15 - 2013-03-25 10:20:21 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
while true, would you trust some new guy in your corp with the roles to cancel a cap/supercap (assuming you're doing that stuff within the corp you hired the guy into, that is). If a job gets cancelled, you lose all the materials ...


I would do my super production in an alt corp, bypassing the issue entirely.

I suspect I would not be alone.

In addition, I'm not sure I see a good reason for being able to share BPOs with untrusted corp-mates without some element of risk. I think the risk of vandalism, but not theft, is a decent place for that risk to be. After all, people join corps for corp thefts, not "Hey, I totally cancelled their Thanatos job, can I get an EN24 article?"


Really, it's more the "dumbass mistake" and "it's annoying" factors than anything ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#16 - 2013-03-25 14:02:39 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
while true, would you trust some new guy in your corp with the roles to cancel a cap/supercap (assuming you're doing that stuff within the corp you hired the guy into, that is). If a job gets cancelled, you lose all the materials ...


I would do my super production in an alt corp, bypassing the issue entirely.

I suspect I would not be alone.

In addition, I'm not sure I see a good reason for being able to share BPOs with untrusted corp-mates without some element of risk. I think the risk of vandalism, but not theft, is a decent place for that risk to be. After all, people join corps for corp thefts, not "Hey, I totally cancelled their Thanatos job, can I get an EN24 article?"


I agree, Most corps that would be building supers would be members of large alliances. Such alliances have executor corps with only highly trusted senior alliance members in them. think of the executor corp as the board of directors of the alliance. The system(s) where the alliance builds supers could be under the control of the executor corp, along with several capital construction POSes in that system. Any corp in the alliance that needs a super built would deliver the mats or funds needed to the executor corp, a member of the executor corp then builds the super.

In very large alliances where there can be many supers being built at the same time perhaps a dedicated super caps construction corp could be set up separate from the executors corp.

Although I believe it will be these types of mechanics that are addressed first with the POS revamp. Some POS changes are scheduled as part of the Odyssey expansion. A little over two months and we will know what those changes include. or sooner if you log onto SiSi to test the new features before release. You could actually help the devs out by supplying feed back on those features before they go live.