Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I could see a case being made for BS being advanced and large enough to have bonuses to both their primary and secondary weapons systems. However I don't expect we will see a change like that in this first pass.

I assume this means that the Scorpion will only recieve minor tweaks at the moment, and not be repurposed into an Attack or Combat hull this time around?

I only ask because if a new line will be coming in (perhaps even new hulls) I could see a case being made for stadardizing the existing hulls around the Attack or Combat classifications and bringing in EW hulls all together at a later time.

I personally think all T3s are way too powerful... best links in the game, 100MN tengu bullshit... etc.

But I care more about battleships. I can only speak about Amarr battleships. IMO, the Armageddon and Abaddon all have the same playstyle. Like... Apoc has a defined sniper role. But arma and abaddon, you just equip lasers, armor, and press F1.

One thing I've been thinking about lately, is a missile / drone amarr BS. An armor torp boat I guess, with lots of bandwidth. It would fit in with lots of the weird Amarr ships, and actually be different. Probably the Arma would be the best hull for this, as it currently has the weakest / most boring bonuses right now. What if it was changed to torp dmg & velocity + drone damage? The abaddon keeps its role as brawler. Apoc keeps its role as sniper. Arma gets a new role as being far more versatile in the damage type, and being able to combat small **** with drones.

tldr; Two brawling battleships which fill more or less the same role is weaksauce

o/ Rise, good name choice.

I don't have a totally complete picture of how I imagine battleships being reversioned, but I can give a few suggestions. Chances are you already feel the same way about many of these ships.



The Typhoon is an awesome ship once you have 800 million SP right now, and I don't think anyone wants that to change. Moving away from dual weapon systems is fine: 6 launchers and 0-2 turrets, and change the projectile bonus to something more useful:

• Missile explosion velocity / radius, possibly even missile damage
• Target painter effectiveness
• Speed
• A small bonus to web range or strength (5% strength or 10% range would be pretty cool)

And definitely make sure it keeps the large drone bay, otherwise it has almost no advantage over the Raven. The Typhoon Fleet Issue should get 7 launchers, a-la Raven/Navy Raven. Missiles are awesome.




It's difficult to say what could be changed for the Tempest. So far it's a pretty reasonably balanced ship, if a little short on EHP; the active tanked (dual rep) version is pretty decent, but it's not strong enough to be a fleet ship these days. I don't think this is a problem per se, but it is something to take into consideration.

It might be useful to move one of the high slots to a mid or a low, but that would be a pretty bold change that would have huge consequences for the ship. You can't really move any slots around without making somebody angry.



The Maelstrom is fine. Honestly I don't think there's really anything to fix. The Scorpion is also widely considered to be a very well-rounded ship, and the Raven remains a PVE staple if not a very competent PVP ship -- though that deficiency mostly lends itself from missiles themselves rather than the ship. The Rokh is also a pretty solid contender unless you count the Naga supplanting it in most long-range fleet scenarios.




An excellent, well rounded, well balanced ship. I would be loath to see a single thing change about the Armageddon. It's a classic, even a benchmark of what a good battleship should look like on the field.

Though it could stand to get 25 or 50 more m3 of drone bay if you feel it is trailing behind, it's pretty much excellent just as it is.




The Apocalypse has been suffering a bit lately since we've seen the whole long-range PVP game tail off. It's one of the strongest sniping ships in the game, but when most engagements useful ranges are limited to 60-70km it doesn't see a lot of use as the Abaddon is able to do more damage and attain enough range for these scenarios through the use of tracking comptuers. I do feel the Apoc needs some love and there needs to be slightly better differentiation between the roles of these two ships; the Abaddon could probably stand to lose a mid slot, and the Apocalypse could probably use a bit of an armor HP buff to contend with (but not equal!) the Abaddon's massive HP+resist tank.




People say the Dominix sucks because it's no good in fleet scenarios. I think these people are bad and should feel bad, the Dominix is a great ship. It could possibly use some more speed and agility, maybe a little more HP to allow it to contend while using more damage mods, but generally speaking it's a very well balanced ship and I don't think much needs changing.




Another good ship. Strong all-around, people whine because it's short ranged and they never see it being useful in their own tiny little slice of the game, but really it excels.




A classically powerful ship somewhat overshadowed since the release of ASB and the extra power given to the Maelstrom, the only things this ship really needs to be competitive again are improvements to the new modules (or just armor repair modules in general) and maybe another chunk of base capacitor (the ship's lifeblood).

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I'm honestly unsure if there's anything to complain about here. I have been a fan of these ships and their own special role on the battlefield since their release; there are a couple minor issues with obsolescence of long-ranged battleships such as the Apocalypse and Rokh, but by and large they are great in gangs and I wouldn't want to see them changed too much.

I am not particularly interested in seeing EWar battleships. We have EWar frigates, cruisers, EAFs, and Recons to fill the EWar role. I would much rather see a line of battleships that were EWar-resistant instead. I'm not suggesting that it is a necessary or even needed role, just that between the two, I would pick the latter.

EHP buff is the most primitive way of buffing anything and moreover, it dumbs down the entire game by upping EHP of a (supposedly) popular class. There's already way too much overtanking in this game.

Also, tier3s show that you don't even need craploads of EHP to have fun and kill ships, and they are used in pretty large fleets just as in small-scale PvP. I do hope that this lesson will teach CCP something they have been missing for years. No more EHP!

To sum up, it really looks like we simply need to get down to the basics with our current batch of T1 battleships. Standardize along the existing pattern of 2 Combat hulls (1 for their racial primary weapons system, the other for the secondary weapons system), and 1 hull for Attack (perhaps combining elements of both weapons systems along with speed).

Something like:

Amarr:
Attack: Armageddon (Lasers with strong drone support)
Combat Primary: Abaddon (Lasers)
Combat Secondary: Apocalypse (Drones and due to Khanid influence possibly missiles... or a seperate Khanid variation later).

Gallante:
Attack: Hyperion (Blasters and strong drone support)
Combat Primary: Megathron (Blasters or Rails)
Combat Secondary: Dominix (Drones and Blasters or Rails)

Caldari:
Attack: Scorpion (Convert to a strong Torp boat)
Combat Primary: Raven (Torp boat or Cruise boat)
Combat Secondary: (Rail boat with option to mount some cruise)

Minmatar:
Attack: Tempest (Projectile, some missile capability)
Combat Primary: Maelstrom (Projectile boat)
Combat Secondary: Typhoon (Missile boat, some projectile options)

Going to strongly agree with you on the nerf to the resistance bonus from 5% to 4% per level however I'm going to disagree with ya on the removal of active tanking bonuses. The problem atm is that medium and large reppers just suck, period. The "buff" to active armor tanking by fozzie and crew missed almost all of the critical balance issues that have been diagnosed by the most experienced players this community has to offer over the past 5+ years...

The solution is to buff all faction/deadspace armor reppers so that they increase in power at an equal level to that of shield as well as a modest increase to the hp/s and cap efficiency of ALL reppers (small don't need more hp/s).

I cannot for the life of me understand why people seem to think all BS's should be buffed /o\

I wouldh ave thought the tier 3's should be slightly nerfed if anything

How would nerfing tier 3 BC change people's outlook on Battleships?