Jita Park Speakers Corner

Look at you bads pretending that Poetic won't find something or someone to throw an apoplectic fit about if Trebor isn't elected.

What he said. There's always stuff to throw fits about. Apoplectic or not.

Trebor and Ripard have similar ideologies. The difference is that Ripard believes highsec is about as safe as it should be (perhaps a tad too safe.) Whereas Trebor believes highsec can and should be made safer as long as it brings in new subscribers. Trebor would have you believe that EVE is in some sort of financial difficulty, and thus themepark game play should be brought in if it means more subscribers. He'll further dazzle you with the idea that if CCP can bring in more money, then they can hire more devs, and finally start working on a POS revamp. This is a complete fallacy. CCP is more than likely going to put extra EVE Online revenue towards accelerating development on its two other properties, DUST and World of Darkness.

Trebor's thinking in a nutshell is that "We can screw the game to improve the game." Which, of course, doesn't work. Except in his mind.

If you need to vote a highsec candidate, then vote Ripard Teg over Terrible Trebor. Ripard doesn't want to destroy the game for a few extra bucks. Trebor does.

Could you throw out some more nonsense rhetoric?

And we need more Star Trek analogies. We can never get enough of those.

Perhaps we should establish just how many bucks it would take to induce Ripard to destroy hisec?

Rote Kapelle that well known hi sec alliance!

Y'know if you think his ideas are so bad, the best way to deal with it would be to simply put him back on the council so they can be dragged out and shot once and for all.

I really, really didn't want to make this post. For several reasons. Firstly, I don't want to further **** up Trebor's great thread of trying to help people vote, but I think that ship has kinda sailed. You've already hijecked the thread and turned it into the Poetic Vrs Trebor hour. The second reason is that I learned a long time ago that words can be a weapon, and while I love blowing up internet space ships, I don't like hurting people in real life. At a certain point though, I get tired of sitting back and watching a corp mate get attacked. So Poetic, I hope you take this as an opportunity to grow as a person. I'm going to stop being nice to you know, though, because the truth isn't nice.

Theme part gameplay.

Hmm. Like when Trebor suggested limiting War decs based on the size of the corporation? Or allowing corps to pay off CONCORD to avoid them entirely? Oh wait, that wasn't Trebor, it was you. Only you didn't have the intellectual courage to stand up for your ideas, so you have to constantly say "I want to nerf High-sec and make it safer but HEY GUYS I'M NOT TREBOR!" You know, despite that you are actually making specific arguments and suggestions to make high-sec safer vrs Trebor who is playing devil's advocate and suggesting CCP look into it.

It's not even about what you believe or don't believe. You are entitled to your opinions and they are obviously well thought out and well articulated. It's about you failing to stand up for your ideas without creating a strawman to burn to make yourself look better. If your ideas have merit, they have merit, regardless of what Trebor or anyone else believes or does not believe. Continually bringing him up and attacking him only shows you don't believe in your own convictions and need to resort to attacking others.

Trebor and Alekseyev disagreed constantly while on the CSM, yet you never heard Trebor say "Alek only feels that way because he's in a merc corp so he's a griefer!" or Alek say "Trebor is a friggin carebear, who cares what he thinks?" You didn't hear that because that's not how adults discuss things to reach a consensus.

Then we have you constantly criticizing Trebor for EvEmailing people in previous elections, while at the same time working on your own mass mailing project. You don't get to have it both ways. You either say that you feel mass mailing is wrong, give Trebor **** for it and then don't do it yourself, or you admit it's a viable tactic, do it yourself and stop giving him ****.

Again, it's not so much which you believe, it's that you want to have it both ways. It's the hypocrisy of saying something is wrong while at the same time doing the exact same thing. Once again, it's intellectual cowardice.

About the only thing everyone on all sides seems to agree on is that the War-dec system is broken. It's not a simple issue to solve and even you have flip flopped on it before.

November of last year you explained to all us plebeians Why EVE University Is A Pox Upon This Game.

You know what I find most fascinating about this article? I had to check three times that it was written by you because you espouse an entirely polar opposite view on war-decs than your more recent articles that I had to double and triple check it wasn't some kind of guest writer or something.

For example:



Thankfully, we have you less than 6 months later to teach us that War-decs are unfair and should be avoidable.



That's where you suggest we limit war-decs on corps of different sizes and allow CONCORD bribes. So, Eve-Uni is a pox for not wanting to be under constant War-decs in their corporation to help new players, but at the same time it's unfair for them to be under constant War-decs and we have to change it because High-sec needs safety.

You know, Poetic, the only consistent position you seem to express is that you hate Trebor for some reason. Trebor took the time to write this up to help people vote and you immediately pounce upon the thread to get in whatever cheap shots you can. like in this response when you criticize Trebor for the amount of kills he has and say



Despite the fact that same killboard would show you he was out blowing up stuff with us only a week before.

The sad part is you are a good writer and can articulate your positions well.

Now you just need to learn to pull yourself up and stop trying to push others down.

There are three kinds of people in this thread:

1. Trebor and his friends from his corp.
2. Past CSM and current CSM hopefuls chumming it up with their best pal Trebor to shine their "insider" "establishment" cred.
3. People who love this game and care about it.

These categories are mutually exclusive.

Friggz, that's quite a post, I especially like the titles you've given Poe to further your point.

Poetic Stanziel isn't running for CSM. You are falling into the same routine as Ripard now. Let's keep the conversation centered on the candidates, not their critics.

I don't think all perspectives are created equal. Considering that high sec war decs are already voluntary, ie you can drop corp to escape them and re-form the same one for only 3% of cost it took for the aggressor to go to war, for someone to sincerely argue to make them even more toothless is simply asking to scrape them altogether.

Thankfully, when Trebor took up that cause, he claims that was only devils advocacy. He sure had us fooled thinking he was a real carebear!

My only concern now is that Trebor is the most persistent devils advocate in the world. He hardly devotes any time to his real opinions, instead focusing on all the bad ideas that don't get enough attention! Do I really want someone like that on the CSM, while there are so, so many good ideas that get sidetracked?