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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#21 - 2013-03-22 18:39:07 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
No such orbital bombardment has been fired. That titan has never taken any hostile action. It has been the equivalent of an armed guard standing outside the gates of an embassy.

It blew up a CONCORD official asking it to provide information on its tactical loadout. When it was clear that it couldn't win the fight, it began preparations for the deployment of Oblivion on the planet's surface.

Oblivion isn't a precision weapon. It's a planet-ender.


But she didn't fire. She could have, should have, but she didn't. She made a lot of threats, for at least thirty minutes, but never fired.

Rall Mekin wrote:
Its time for open war between the Empires again. I hope our heads of state agree. Screw the faction warfare, its time for all out aggression, including SOV being lost by the Gallente and Minmatar.


I agree.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-03-22 18:59:57 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
But she didn't fire. She could have, should have, but she didn't. She made a lot of threats, for at least thirty minutes, but never fired.

Are you saying that we should not take seriously threats made by a woman in charge of a weapon in a class of weapons that - 100% of the times that they have been used on a planet - has utterly destroyed its biosphere and the vast majority of its inhabitants? During a combat situation?

I truly wish I was as trusting as you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-03-22 19:08:55 UTC
Perhaps the word you are looking for is 'naive.'

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#24 - 2013-03-22 19:10:13 UTC
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#25 - 2013-03-22 19:12:27 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.


I have family on Caldari Prime (very distant). I had a nephew on board the Shiigeru. I had planned to finance his capsuleer training privately to get him out of the navy quicker... now an immortal-to-be has been aborted.

Let's just say I take this incident personally.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-03-22 19:21:18 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.

"Look what you made me do" has never been a valid defence.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#27 - 2013-03-22 19:23:53 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.

"Look what you made me do" has never been a valid defence.


It is when one didn't do it. For the family that I have that *may* still be alive on Caldari Prime, I'm glad she didn't... My nephew, I have little doubt he has survived.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#28 - 2013-03-22 19:25:42 UTC
Until the Caldari began to take charge of the ground offensive, the Oblivion was spooled up, armed and primed to fire. With so much as the fleet moving into position, only standing down when communications had been re-enabled and it was evident the State had regained control.

Towards the end she attempted to fire once more before reactor failures kicked in and disabled the ship.


Couldn't or shouldn't will be debated, one thing is clear, she was given the order to fire.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-03-22 19:28:14 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.


For your information, she was about to fire just before the engines went out on the Ttian and the reactor stated to go critical. If the Gallente fleet hasn't changed targets when it did, Caldari Prime would be a fireball right now.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#30 - 2013-03-22 19:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Grideris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.


For your information, she was about to fire just before the engines went out on the Ttian and the reactor stated to go critical. If the Gallente fleet hasn't changed targets when it did, Caldari Prime would be a fireball right now.


No. She was threatening to fire. Just as she had been threatening to fire when her shields were still holding, at least thirty minutes before the reactor went out. Just as she had moved into place prior to the battle so that she would be able to fire.

If she had wanted to fire, she could have. She made threats, nothing more. It is clear she was holding back, regardless of what she may have broadcast across system channels.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-03-22 19:53:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I am glad that the Oblivion was not fired.

I am... beyond dismayed that even the preparations were made. Just recently I was arguing that such a thing was unthinkable.

My announcement and all declarations contained therein are retracted pending meditation on this subject and where I go from here.

Hakatain out...

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-03-22 19:55:54 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Grideris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.


For your information, she was about to fire just before the engines went out on the Ttian and the reactor stated to go critical. If the Gallente fleet hasn't changed targets when it did, Caldari Prime would be a fireball right now.


No. She was threatening to fire. Just as she had been threatening to fire when her shields were still holding, at least thirty minutes before the reactor went out. Just as she had moved into place prior to the battle so that she would be able to fire.

If she had wanted to fire, she could have. She made threats, nothing more. It is clear she was holding back, regardless of what she may have broadcast across system channels.


You're kidding me. I was several kilometres off the bow of the Titan. I saw the missile silos ready to fire. This wasn't a threat of someone torn between her orders and her consciousness. Trust me, the only reason that Caldari Prime isn't a fireball is because the Gallente fleet turned it's guns on the Titan. If we had switched targets 10 seconds later, she would have fired.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-03-22 19:59:18 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I am glad that the Oblivion was not fired.

I am... beyond dismayed that even the preparations were made. Just recently I was arguing that such a thing was unthinkable.

My announcement and all declarations contained therein are retracted pending meditation on this subject and where I go from here.

Hakatain out...


Oh, for f***s sake. You haven't been a supporter of the State in any concrete way for years. You think it will make some difference now?

And from "Oh my, we lost home, I'd better rush back from aiding the enemy Republic to save the day" to "oh, wait, they might have fired their weapons? Well, guess I'll keep doing what I'm doing" in an hour? Pathetic.

Go join the rest of your family in the Federation. It won't be hard. You are, after all, working with them and the Republic already.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#34 - 2013-03-22 19:59:38 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I am glad that the Oblivion was not fired.

I am... beyond dismayed that even the preparations were made. Just recently I was arguing that such a thing was unthinkable.

My announcement and all declarations contained therein are retracted pending meditation on this subject and where I go from here.

Hakatain out...


We need to talk Verin, and not in the "I told you so" way.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#35 - 2013-03-22 20:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Grideris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Grideris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.


For your information, she was about to fire just before the engines went out on the Ttian and the reactor stated to go critical. If the Gallente fleet hasn't changed targets when it did, Caldari Prime would be a fireball right now.


No. She was threatening to fire. Just as she had been threatening to fire when her shields were still holding, at least thirty minutes before the reactor went out. Just as she had moved into place prior to the battle so that she would be able to fire.

If she had wanted to fire, she could have. She made threats, nothing more. It is clear she was holding back, regardless of what she may have broadcast across system channels.


You're kidding me. I was several kilometres off the bow of the Titan. I saw the missile silos ready to fire. This wasn't a threat of someone torn between her orders and her consciousness. Trust me, the only reason that Caldari Prime isn't a fireball is because the Gallente fleet turned it's guns on the Titan. If we had switched targets 10 seconds later, she would have fired.


It does not take 30 minutes for a doomsday weapon to fire. Especially when the ship had already been brought into range ahead of time.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#36 - 2013-03-22 20:22:42 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
The Federation has lost all the respect it had earned from me. The Federal government has once again shown their contempt for peace, their disregard for common human decency, and their willingness to resort to violence rather than their own democratic principles when they encounter a dissenting voice.

I hereby declare myself an enemy of the Federation. Any pilots openly flying on the side of Federal Government on the matter of Caldari Prime will be Kill-On-Sight to me at least for the duration of the Homeworld Crisis, and so long as it is tactically practical for me to engage such pilots, I shall do so.

In accordance with this decision, it is with great sadness and regret that I must announce my immediate resignation from Re-Awakened Technologies and the cessation of my tenure as a member of the Board of Directors. I intend to resume my commission with the State Protectorate, for an indefinite duration. I am sorry my friends: I hope you understand that my Home is calling, and that I must answer. I solemnly affirm that I shall actively oppose all STPRO operations in Minmatar space, and will continue to lobby for peace between the State and the Republic.

Peace is my aim. But I understand that peace must paradoxically be defended by soldiers and violence. By the Winds if the only way to find peace is to blow a freezing gale, then I shall and I hope others will join me.

To my comrades: Fly well, shoot straight, show honour.

To my enemies: No hard feelings, but if you're going to side with thieves and genocidal maniacs then I'm just bringing what you deserve.

Hakatain Out.


This will be the... fifth... incarnation of this reply.

I've tried to counter-argue your statements here Verin, but I can't bring myself to do so. I know how you think, or at least I believe I do.

You made your mind up. You took your stance, and I find it highly unlikely you will change this unless there is some serious reason you might consider doing so.

So many have died already, and more will die due to this. Millions.

Billions, down the line. One of my greatest regrets from today on is that the next time I see you, I will have to shoot you.

Because once your decision is final, you stick to it - because you know you are right.

Personal standings have been adjusted accordingly. We have not spoken together since long before I returned, but if you want a word, my door is always open, regardless of your stance.

Take care of yourself, honored enemy of mine. We will see each other on the field one day.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-03-22 20:23:10 UTC
Given the circumstances I cannot see the Federation's response being anything other than what it was. A threat must always be assumed to be credible, especially given the assets that were in play and the personalities of the respective leaders involved. I cannot say much for Roden but Heth's anti Gallentean bias is well known. I cannot imagine for a second that he would hesitate to give the order and given the vagaries of military command and the Caldari way, that order would be followed. The voter backlash that then followed would be nothing short of Scripture and it would be fairly easy for someone like Blaque or worse to ascend to the office of President. From there, I don't even want to think what could happen.

My head tells me I should rejoice. My heart tells me I should mourn.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-03-22 20:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Grideris
Samira Kernher wrote:
Grideris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Grideris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I'm saying that she didn't fire. She didn't want to fire. No one in the State did. All the damage that is being done to the planet by fallout, or that would have been done had the weapon been fired, was precipitated by the Federation.

The weapon was never intended to be used. The Federation pulled the trigger by launching an assault, and you are simply lucky that the Admiral did not have the fortitude to carry out her orders.


For your information, she was about to fire just before the engines went out on the Ttian and the reactor stated to go critical. If the Gallente fleet hasn't changed targets when it did, Caldari Prime would be a fireball right now.


No. She was threatening to fire. Just as she had been threatening to fire when her shields were still holding, at least thirty minutes before the reactor went out. Just as she had moved into place prior to the battle so that she would be able to fire.

If she had wanted to fire, she could have. She made threats, nothing more. It is clear she was holding back, regardless of what she may have broadcast across system channels.


You're kidding me. I was several kilometres off the bow of the Titan. I saw the missile silos ready to fire. This wasn't a threat of someone torn between her orders and her consciousness. Trust me, the only reason that Caldari Prime isn't a fireball is because the Gallente fleet turned it's guns on the Titan. If we had switched targets 10 seconds later, she would have fired.


It does not take 30 minutes for a doomsday weapon to fire. Especially when the ship had already been brought into range ahead of time.


We were just lucky that we kept knocking it out of alignment. Trust me, I was there. You're just speculating on a matter you're seeing second hand.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-03-22 20:24:22 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Take care of yourself, honored enemy of mine. We will see each other on the field one day.



Did you miss the post a few minutes later where he changed his mind? I'd be trying to recruit him, if I were you.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#40 - 2013-03-22 20:37:29 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
BloodBird wrote:
Take care of yourself, honored enemy of mine. We will see each other on the field one day.



Did you miss the post a few minutes later where he changed his mind? I'd be trying to recruit him, if I were you.


I did, actually. I had not surveyed the whole tread yet.

Regardless, he may not have made any hard choices just yet, but I am sure he will. I will change my position if his changes after he has digested the new information provided for him.

As for your taunt, I would do no such thing. I have far more respect for him than you seem to have and would never insult his beliefs in such a manner. Hakatain would never work directly for my nation. Ever. He might work for the Republic, or the State, but I am confident he would never work for the Amarrian Empire or the Federation.

I am just happy to be able to say that, he was not my sworn enemy, before today. Perhaps he won't be one from now on either, but that remains to be seen.