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An announcement.

Author
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-22 17:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
The Federation has lost all the respect it had earned from me. The Federal government has once again shown their contempt for peace, their disregard for common human decency, and their willingness to resort to violence rather than their own democratic principles when they encounter a dissenting voice.

I hereby declare myself an enemy of the Federation. Any pilots openly flying on the side of Federal Government on the matter of Caldari Prime will be Kill-On-Sight to me at least for the duration of the Homeworld Crisis, and so long as it is tactically practical for me to engage such pilots, I shall do so.

In accordance with this decision, it is with great sadness and regret that I must announce my immediate resignation from Re-Awakened Technologies and the cessation of my tenure as a member of the Board of Directors. I intend to resume my commission with the State Protectorate, for an indefinite duration. I am sorry my friends: I hope you understand that my Home is calling, and that I must answer. I solemnly affirm that I shall actively oppose all STPRO operations in Minmatar space, and will continue to lobby for peace between the State and the Republic.

Peace is my aim. But I understand that peace must paradoxically be defended by soldiers and violence. By the Winds if the only way to find peace is to blow a freezing gale, then I shall and I hope others will join me.

To my comrades: Fly well, shoot straight, show honour.

To my enemies: No hard feelings, but if you're going to side with thieves and genocidal maniacs then I'm just bringing what you deserve.

Hakatain Out.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-03-22 17:18:14 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
The Federation has lost all the respect it had earned from me. The Federal government has once again shown their contempt for peace, their disregard for common human decency, and their willingness to resort to violence rather than their own democratic principles when they encounter a dissenting voice.


Our contempt for peace? The State has had the Gallente population on Caldari Prime literally held at gunpoint for the last half decade. The State has refused any and all attempts to negotiate the situation. The civilian population on Caldari Prime rose up against the Caldari occupation which shifted the time tables and forced a response from both sides of the conflict.

You claim we hold a contempt for peace when we have been trying to negotiate peace for the last several years. You claim we disregard human decency when it is you and yours that are holding civilians hostage and using them as a shield against retaliation. I don't understand your definition of peace and human decency but gunpoint diplomacy and human shields are neither in my definitions.

Stitcher wrote:
To my enemies: No hard feelings, but if you're going to side with thieves and genocidal maniacs then I'm just bringing what you deserve.


It is not the Federation that has been holding an entire population hostage for half a decade. It is not the Federation threatening to destroy civilians in order to maintain a planet it took by force during an opportunity strike without precedent.

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-22 17:21:37 UTC
Double standards are pretty common these days.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#4 - 2013-03-22 17:32:18 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
The Federation has lost all the respect it had earned from me. The Federal government has once again shown their contempt for peace, their disregard for common human decency, and their willingness to resort to violence rather than their own democratic principles when they encounter a dissenting voice.


Our contempt for peace? The State has had the Gallente population on Caldari Prime literally held at gunpoint for the last half decade. The State has refused any and all attempts to negotiate the situation. The civilian population on Caldari Prime rose up against the Caldari occupation which shifted the time tables and forced a response from both sides of the conflict.


Forced a response? A rebellion this large surely didn't happen spontaneously. The Federation clearly has been training and preparing these civilians in preparation for such a conflict. The operation was surely planned and initiated by the Federation--probably by the Black Eagles.

And they are no longer civilians if they have taken hostile action against legitimate authorities.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-03-22 17:43:47 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

Forced a response? A rebellion this large surely didn't happen spontaneously. The Federation clearly has been training and preparing these civilians in preparation for such a conflict. The operation was surely planned and initiated by the Federation--probably by the Black Eagles.

And they are no longer civilians if they have taken hostile action against legitimate authorities.


Conjecture.

How exactly did a Federation that hasn't been able to enter or leave the planet for the past five years trained and equipped these individuals?

Civilians can take action against authorities, they are still civilians and they are still helpless against orbital bombardment.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#6 - 2013-03-22 17:46:38 UTC
Msr. Raithe,

Its not surprising that Federal agents would have been able to sneak in arms over time as well agents to organize and train the guerrilla forces, in fact, I know they have.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-22 17:48:24 UTC
No such orbital bombardment has been fired. That titan has never taken any hostile action. It has been the equivalent of an armed guard standing outside the gates of an embassy.

I don't know what sparked the ground fighting, I refuse to conjecture on subjects for which I lack the evidence to make an informed decision.

All I know is that the Federation is once again attacking my people, and my commitment to bridge-building has been laden beyond its breaking point. I will not sit idly by and allow them to mug us once again.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-22 17:48:44 UTC
Tyrants and madmen are no 'legitimate authorities'.

For too long these men and women have been opressed by the Provists. This is way past the boiling point already.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#9 - 2013-03-22 17:50:25 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:

Forced a response? A rebellion this large surely didn't happen spontaneously. The Federation clearly has been training and preparing these civilians in preparation for such a conflict. The operation was surely planned and initiated by the Federation--probably by the Black Eagles.

And they are no longer civilians if they have taken hostile action against legitimate authorities.


Conjecture.

How exactly did a Federation that hasn't been able to enter or leave the planet for the past five years trained and equipped these individuals?


There have been Federal military personnel remaining on the planet since it was taken, conducting insurgent actions. They have surely been training the populance since then, and managed to open communiction with the Federation to plan a joint operation.

Quote:
Civilians can take action against authorities, they are still civilians and they are still helpless against orbital bombardment.


When a civilian takes hostile action against a lawful government, they are no longer civilians. They are combatants.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-22 17:50:42 UTC
This is not about Heth.

This is about Home.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-03-22 17:50:45 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Msr. Raithe,

Its not surprising that Federal agents would have been able to sneak in arms over time as well agents to organize and train the guerrilla forces, in fact, I know they have.


I am sure you possess proof positive to make such a claim, so I will not deliberate the point further. The fact remains that the planet was taken hostage by a surprise assault and the population was held hostage at gunpoint for five years. If the Federation has been training civilians for this uprising, it has been because all other options are exhausted. The State refuses to negotiate, no one can leave the planet, civilians are held at gunpoint. You expect these civilians to do nothing? You expect the Federation to simply accept it and leave them to be held hostage to a force that refuses to negotiate their release?

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-03-22 17:53:19 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
This is not about Heth.

This is about Home.


What about the Gallente who also call the planet home? What about the Caldari that support the Federation that call the planet home? What about these people being held at gunpoint for the past five years, unable to leave if they choose to and unable to live as they had before while being shuffled into segregated communities by the occupational force?

This planet is the ancestral home of the Caldari, I understand that. This situation could have, should have been handled through negotiation. It was not.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-22 17:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Are the staff of an embassy "held hostage" by the presence of an armed guard at the gate? Are workers the hostages of CorpSec? Are citizens hostage to police force that carries firearms?

There is more than one reason to have a capital ship in orbit, pilot Raithe. You are presuming the worst out of prejudice.

We tried negotiation for decades. it did not work. The Federation, it seems, does not negotiate over what it feels it can take by force.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#14 - 2013-03-22 17:54:37 UTC
I fail to recall any attempts at negotiations from either side Msr. Raithe.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-03-22 17:56:53 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Are the staff of an embassy "held hostage" by the presence of an armed guard at the gate? Are workers the hostages of CorpSec?

There is more than one reason to have a capital ship in orbit, pilot Raithe. You are presuming the worst out of prejudice.

We tried negotiation for decades. it did not work. The Federation, it seems, does not negotiate over what it feels it can take by force.


Bullshit pilot.

Your Executor made a clear declaration that any Gallente leaving the planet would be open fired upon and any action deemed to be a threat to the occupational force would result in the orbital bombardment of every Gallente city and habitat on the surface. That's not "standing outside and embassy" that's "holding hostages at gunpoint."

Your State denied negotiation, spouting the same lines you are spouting now. This is your home, there will be no negotiation for it, the Gallente do not belong.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-22 18:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
That threat was stood down when Foiritain ratified the treaty and you damn well know it.

Or if you don't you should go read a frakking modern history book.

I agree, that was a dark episode in our history and I still feel that our moment of triumph was tainted by the brutality of our methods, but what happened then does not count for what we do here and now, and here and now?

...Here and now supercapital wreckage is raining down on the graves of my ancestors. Do you blame the victim, or the one who shot them?

I know which one my sense of morality compels me to bring to justice.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-22 18:28:31 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
No such orbital bombardment has been fired. That titan has never taken any hostile action. It has been the equivalent of an armed guard standing outside the gates of an embassy.

It blew up a CONCORD official asking it to provide information on its tactical loadout. When it was clear that it couldn't win the fight, it began preparations for the deployment of Oblivion on the planet's surface.

Oblivion isn't a precision weapon. It's a planet-ender.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#18 - 2013-03-22 18:29:59 UTC
Not sure I get this. Didn't the State invade in YC110? How is this any different? Why are people surprised the Federation, as an ultimately pragmatic entity, decided to eventually retaliate?

The hypocrisy is astounding.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#19 - 2013-03-22 18:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
Its time for open war between the Empires again. I hope our heads of state agree. Screw the faction warfare, its time for all out aggression, including SOV being lost by the Gallente and Minmatar.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-03-22 18:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lialus Raithe
Stitcher wrote:
That threat was stood down when Foiritain ratified the treaty and you damn well know it.

Or if you don't you should go read a frakking modern history book.


That threat was unfortunately never recalled. If it had been, this situation could have been much more easily resolved and without this much death.

Stitcher wrote:
I agree, that was a dark episode in our history and I still feel that our moment of triumph was tainted by the brutality of our methods, but what happened then does not count for what we do here and now, and here and now?


Both of our people's histories are filled with dark stains, not just yours and not just mine. I agree with you on this sentiment, the past is difficult to let go when it so strongly affects the present.

Stitcher wrote:
...Here and now supercapital wreckage is raining down on the graves of my ancestors. Do you blame the victim, or the one who shot them?

I know which one my sense of morality compels me to bring to justice.


The only victims in this entire episode are the people on the planet who had no choice in the matter. The soldiers on the field, on both sides, chose their paths and followed them as honorably and dutifully as they were able. I will not turn this tragedy into a political game, I request that you do not either.

What needs to happen now is an honest re-evaluation of the situation from both of us. This entire situation should serve as an example of what happens when we both refuse to set aside all that stands between us and work toward a solution that is best for all involved.

Perhaps we can learn...I sincerely hope so.
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