EVE General Discussion

ganking you to revoke your privilege of owning shinies you are unwilling to protect isn't an exploit, it's Working As Intended(tm)

Every game has a "flavor". EVe's flavor is cold, harsh, dark and decidedly Icelandic (ie full of Ammonia). Being able to lose your stuff, being exposed to pvp and danger EVERYWHERE, these things aren't just part of EVE, they are part of what makes EVE great and different from other games.

What's funny is sometimes i don't want to lose my stuff. So, sometime I put EVE aside and play Star Trek Online (Romulan plasma Beams and purple Conn officers ftw yo). Because that's what you do, you find something that FITS what you want rather than trying to make EVERYONE ELSE fit what you want.

Why must the game change to suit you? Don't you understand other people play EVE and like it/live with it as is?

I fly shiny stuff in empire, My Incursion Vindicator costs more than 5 bill. But i take precautions for its protection rather than expecting the game or ccp to do it for me (for example, my incursion running clone is chocked full of defense related implants that Gankers will not be expecting, i sit at a safe spot aligned rather than sit on a new HQ site's gate while waiting for the FC to get the fleet together etc etc etc).

That's really the philosophical difference here between people like me and folks like you. We like EVE as it is, danger and all, and play it as such rather than asking for unreasonable and selfish (not to mention bad for the game) changes because we can't be bothered to pay attention to our in-game surroundings. I've survived gank attempt after gank attempt because of the way i play.

No amount of ccp gerrymandering the game for you is going to make you a good player holyshocker/caldari citizen/whoever you are. Thinking for yourself, taking personal responsibility for you in-game outcomes and stopping this insane crusade to get the pwoer that be to dumb down EVE, THESE THINGS will make you an actually good EVE player.

Wardecs don't matter.



Yes they can. The difference is that we actually defend that income.

No they dont. 99% of mission runners are left alone because there is no profit in ganking them. The NPCs in the mission pose a far greater risk.

The philosophical difference between me and yourself and people like you is I play in low/null/hi-sec. I feel because this is a MMORPG with PVE and PVP elements that there should be a division between the two that should allow game play for those that don’t want to have school yard bully tactics and broken game mechanic forced upon them.

Should this happen the person who is attacking the hi-sec person shouldn’t profit from it. The ganker is using hi-sec mechanics as a safety net to decide when they want to initiate combat on a target that is neither set up fit or prepared for PVP. You want to grief someone just because you can and you have the advantage all from the safety of the rules of hi-sec.

There are two other system null/low that are open pvp where people are fit ready and willing to fight. These people would not provide you the same sense school yard fulfillment because you might lose or look stupid.

If hi-sec is where you need to get your sense of nerd rage school yard bully fulfillment then you should not profit from it.

That’s the difference. I don’t feel these people are here to fill the void for something I may be missing but they are here in hi-sec for themselves and their own needs not yours.

No, there should not be a division between the two. EVE has never, ever been a game where you can do things in absolute safety. You are literally asking for EVE to become a WoW clone in space with passive skill training. If you want that, this is not the game for you, sorry.



No, he absolutely should profit from you if you are unwilling to be more cautious with your expensive assets. You know you are a target and you refuse to acknowledge that and adjust how you play. Safety is your responsibility, the mechanics only deliver consequences to your attackers. Your attackers are taking on killrights, sec status loss, potential bounties and the loss of a ship for a chance at taking what you do not wish to protect. It is on you to ensure that they do not succeed, not CCP.



Hisec has made itself into a place full of overly shiny targets. Players decide to put everything at stake in a single ship, other players decide that they don't deserve to own their things.



If you don't want the ~bullies~ to profit, it is up to you to make it unprofitable. Not CCP.

Then your "philosphy" is at odds with EVE Online. As i said, i play Star Trek Online. Not once have I had the urge to go on the forums and say "This game would be so much better if it had non-consensual pvp and a harsh death penalty!". I accept the STO isn't that kind of game.

EVE online has NEVER have a dividing line between pvp and pve. You are subject to pvp everywhere in new eden accept (by ccp rule) the NPC starter systems and 1 of the epic arc missions. Period.

And this is how it should be.



That's a bunch of self serving non-sense. It is not the ganker hiding behind hi sec, it is the high sec resident flying a pimped out mission ship or a freighter with 30 bil worth of plex. It is the guy in the npc corp who can't be war-decced at all.

"School yard bullying" is and has always been a part of EVE. You options are "adapt to it" or (as I sometimes do) play another game where that can't happen.

But for some reason you think there is an "option 3- change the rules to suit me" Sorry, it don't work that way, no matter how badly you lie about a CCP developers words. My advice is join me in Star Trek Online where no one can screw with you unless you choose to go to a pvp zone.

The pvp zone in EVE (yep, even pvp for profit, like piracy) is called EVE.

I see its back to " you do it because you are a bully" argument.

Once again, no. We kill them for profit because we are pirates.

What is this nice you speak of?

No I think I am seeing correct.