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Are alts overpowered in terms of avoiding consequences?
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-03-22 11:16:39 UTC
Why is this even up for discussion? Seriously? CCP is built on Eve which is built on alts, same account or not. Grow up!

Don't ban me, bro!
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#22 - 2013-03-22 11:18:01 UTC
DrunkenNinja wrote:

I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.


Newsflash - your EVE character is not your true identity. It's a game. They're pretend people.

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Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#23 - 2013-03-22 11:22:38 UTC
I'll dec the next one who uses words as overpowered, nerf etc etc....... HTFU and play eve..... Evil

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-03-22 11:23:10 UTC
ahem

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#25 - 2013-03-22 11:33:20 UTC
Roime wrote:
Why did you post that on a throwaway alt?

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-03-22 12:42:56 UTC
Wow, imagine people tried finding friends, instead of using alts.
Or worse, that people had to commit being outlaws!

Sorry, we can not have that.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-03-22 12:45:14 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
I'll dec the next one who uses words as overpowered, nerf etc etc....... HTFU and play eve..... Evil
Your threat seems to mirror that your abilities are overpowered and thus should be nerfd.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#28 - 2013-03-22 12:50:57 UTC
Yes alts are severely OP when used for negative purposes, and do remove all consequences for certain things.

Fixable? Not really. I suppose you could make it a bit harder to use them by only allowing characters to biomass out their skills / avatar / remaps but keeping their name / employment history. But a good scam or theft will give more than enough money to buy another entirely new account.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-22 13:33:07 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
DrunkenNinja wrote:
CCP allows players to have 3 characters per account.
Only one character per account can be online, so in most cases only a single character will regularly undock.
This allows countless opportunities for the evasion of repercussions within EVE.
I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.

If someone scams you on an account that never undocks, you can never have your revenge.
Heck they can even biomass the character and make a new one for exactly the same purpose.
Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one account. Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).

Would this make the game better or worse?


Each character is a different persona. On one of them you can be a pirating ******* - on the other you can be a friendly market trader or industrialist. It allows some flexibility with a players reputation that allows them to have some peace and quiet.


I was told I would have to cope with the consequence of any action I take in this game. Why is it not the case as long as you use an alt?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#30 - 2013-03-22 14:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
We had this discussion several times already.
Yes, NPC corp alts are so powerful that they have regrettably become a necessity for every player.
What we need is an encouragement to have "menial" tasks done by actual corp members and not outsource all vulnerable logistics and infrastructure to npc corps.

I have always been in favor of a "transaction" tax whenever you transfer money in between characters.
This tax could be at zero if both characters are in the same corp, very low if they are in the same alliance and rather high if one or both of them are in an npc corp.
Sec status should largely affect the transaction tax...if a sec 5.0 industrialist alt sends large amounts of money to his sec -9.9 pirate main, it is money laundry after all and concord shouldn't like that.

I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot.

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Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-03-22 14:26:05 UTC
I think CCP should give us 5 slots for characters on each account.

I NEED MOAR SLOTS! :P
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#32 - 2013-03-22 15:20:58 UTC
Eve Amada wrote:
I think CCP should give us 5 slots for characters on each account.

I NEED MOAR SLOTS! :P


Aurum for moar slots. I'm in.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#33 - 2013-03-22 15:22:15 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I was told I would have to cope with the consequence of any action I take in this game. Why is it not the case as long as you use an alt?


Each of your alts has its own list of consequences to deal with. You have to deal with all of them individually. Merging them is up to you.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-03-22 15:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
War Kitten wrote:
Each of your alts has its own list of consequences to deal with. You have to deal with all of them individually. Merging them is up to you.


The point is that you can use one alt to avoid consequences being suffered by another.

I agree that it's overpowered because low SP alts can be used and recycled endlessly to avoid all kinds of consequences. sec status, wars, bounties for posting spam in jita. and they can be recycled or placed on a second account so even API key checks won't show up spies/awoxers etc.

not that these things are bad but if they had real consequences then perhaps people would make their actions worthwhile rather than just seeing what they can get away with because they have nothing to lose.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#35 - 2013-03-22 15:49:54 UTC
S'Way wrote:
so would then have a valid point about older players having an unfair advantage.


... ummm?

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Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-03-22 15:56:23 UTC
LOL..... imagine not having ur alt to find your entrance back to your wormhole....
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-03-22 16:19:43 UTC
DrunkenNinja wrote:
CCP allows players to have 3 characters per account.
Only one character per account can be online, so in most cases only a single character will regularly undock.
This allows countless opportunities for the evasion of repercussions within EVE.
I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.

If someone scams you on an account that never undocks, you can never have your revenge.
Heck they can even biomass the character and make a new one for exactly the same purpose.
Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one character per account. Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).

Would this make the game better or worse?



The only way this would work is if CCP reduced the sub cost. If thats not happening and they take away 2 characters from my account, my subscription just lost a ton of value. It's no longer worth the 15 bucks a month we pay. I cant think of any MMO that only allows you one character slot. It's just too limiting. ESPECIALLY a pay to play MMO.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-03-22 16:25:06 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
The only way this would work is if CCP reduced the sub cost. If thats not happening and they take away 2 characters from my account, my subscription just lost a ton of value. It's no longer worth the 15 bucks a month we pay. I cant think of any MMO that only allows you one character slot. It's just too limiting. ESPECIALLY a pay to play MMO.


it wouldn't be limiting in the usual sense as eve doesn't place limitations on character roles. ie you aren't limited to race or career.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#39 - 2013-03-22 16:32:15 UTC
This is a new and exciting gripe.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#40 - 2013-03-22 16:39:11 UTC
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