These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123Next page
 

hey is it possible to multibox? (have more than 1 eve running)

Author
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#21 - 2013-03-21 16:20:54 UTC
Whew!! , looks like ya'll were just busy in another thread at the time.



BTW, what sort of performance do you see running two instances of the game on one PC?
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#22 - 2013-03-21 17:40:39 UTC
Respect. Cool

EVE is a low resource type program so you should be able to run at least 2 clients without trouble.

I am just happy to see them get rid of three strikes and move to a first time 30 day ban second time PERMANENT ban!! YES YES YES!!!!!

ANY RMT including first time is a permanent ban as is any modification to the client. These are ALL positive steps to stop people from violating the rules and ruining EVE for everyone.

THANK YOU DEVS!!!!!!!!!!!
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-03-21 17:51:28 UTC
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Whew!! , looks like ya'll were just busy in another thread at the time.



BTW, what sort of performance do you see running two instances of the game on one PC?


I regularly log in three or four clients at a time, depending on what I am doing. If you see any performance degredation, lower the graphics options on your secondary account(s).

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#24 - 2013-03-21 18:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Beekeeper Bob
Stray Bullets wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Cool, thanks guys I knew it was possible before just heard some multiboxing policies have changed recently as well as the new launcher etc, i was septic as to if I could have multiple accounts logged without being at risk of a ban Lol

Thanks all


There have been no such policy changes I'm aware of. One of the GMs explicitly said the policy on ISBoxer had not changed.


People go read the discussion on the dev blog from the security team. There has been changes to the policy regarding ISBoxer. GM Lelouch was the one who said it was ok, but 3 days ago, he edited the 3 year old post to change the policy, basically saying that they can't say if it's ok or not.... use at your own risk as they are not sure it's not breaking the EULA.

Sources:

Devblog
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74632

GM Lelouch post with the reedit:
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274


They had to revise their statement, because ISBOXER does break the EULA.

"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Since ISBoxer does provide a single player, with advantages over another single player not using it, it's against the EULA.

I'm sure they'll revise the EULA though, they can't afford to lose all those ALTs.....Lol

Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Ai Shun
#25 - 2013-03-21 19:27:28 UTC
i-AA wrote:
Cool, thanks guys I knew it was possible before just heard some multiboxing policies have changed recently as well as the new launcher etc, i was septic as to if I could have multiple accounts logged without being at risk of a ban Lol


You may want to see a doctor then. If left alone horrible things could happen.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-03-21 21:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
I have been using ISBoxer for the last several months and will continue to use ISBoxer until CCP says not to.

At this point ISBoxer is within the rules as CCP has stated their policy towards ISBoxer has not changed.

Just my two cents on the matter.
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
#27 - 2013-03-21 21:37:28 UTC
I'm afraid only nightfreeze was able to truley multibox
Spurty
#28 - 2013-03-21 21:57:31 UTC
Just incase no one mentioned it yet:

Of course you can do this, but be really really really careful how you do this.

Seems people are getting banned for the use of things like ISBoxer. Personally. I've no plans to ever use ISBoxer (My two accounts are specialized on totally different things, so that would be a terrible idea from the get go).

Having said that, I've already deactivated my alt mostly out of lack of desire to be hit by the next wave of changes because I see not much hope if any account is banned, in getting it unbanned.

Conclusion of this ramble, fly safe and if you're unsure if what you want to do with that 2nd account is legal, don't do it because what is acceptable today, might be outlawed tomorrow and you wont know about the change until a week into your ban :O

p.s. no, my alt has not been banned. Just tired of having to play 20 other games as some friends can't play eve anymore.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Jason Xado
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-03-21 22:02:02 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Seems people are getting banned for the use of things like ISBoxer.


Do you have a source? I have not heard a single case of someone being banned for simply using ISBoxer.
T'Laar Bok
#30 - 2013-03-21 22:19:06 UTC
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
BTW, what sort of performance do you see running two instances of the game on one PC?


"PC" covers a hell of a lot of hardware / software / configurations.

My personal best about 2y ago on XP was 9 with max graphics. As a guesstimate on my hardware today 15 - 20.

Amphetimines are your friend.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok

GreenSeed
#31 - 2013-03-21 22:36:58 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Hi, without wanting to search for an answer Im posting here instead Big smile

Search for ISBoxer.

how about he searches for the other 40 broadcasting software thats also freeware?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#32 - 2013-03-21 23:18:40 UTC
To be fair in regards to ISboxer, it is somewhat CCPs fault for these types of programs. With how much CCP promotes alt accounts and multiboxing, it shouldn't be surprised these programs exist and are favored by the playerbase.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#33 - 2013-03-22 00:24:10 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Hi, without wanting to search for an answer Im posting here instead Big smile

Search for ISBoxer.

how about he searches for the other 40 broadcasting software thats also freeware?


ISBoxer is free, but to run it requires purchasing an Inner Space license from Lavish Software. $15 for 90 days.

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#34 - 2013-03-22 00:58:19 UTC
Which makes it not free.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-03-22 02:47:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Cool, thanks guys I knew it was possible before just heard some multiboxing policies have changed recently as well as the new launcher etc, i was septic as to if I could have multiple accounts logged without being at risk of a ban Lol

Thanks all


There have been no such policy changes I'm aware of. One of the GMs explicitly said the policy on ISBoxer had not changed.


People go read the discussion on the dev blog from the security team. There has been changes to the policy regarding ISBoxer. GM Lelouch was the one who said it was ok, but 3 days ago, he edited the 3 year old post to change the policy, basically saying that they can't say if it's ok or not.... use at your own risk as they are not sure it's not breaking the EULA.

Sources:

Devblog
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74632

GM Lelouch post with the reedit:
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274


They had to revise their statement, because ISBOXER does break the EULA.

"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Since ISBoxer does provide a single player, with advantages over another single player not using it, it's against the EULA.


"Compared with ordinary gameplay" - ISboxer doesn't accelerate anything, it makes it slightly easier to make multiple accounts do the same thing. This is something that can also be done with out ISboxer with a little more :effort:

Some reading material for you. I would speculate that the reason for the policy change is due to ISboxer now offering users the capability to bot if they want to pay extra money or put a little effort in to coding the new module. Using it to multibox is still just fine according to CCP.

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#36 - 2013-03-22 03:17:33 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Hi, without wanting to search for an answer Im posting here instead Big smile

Search for ISBoxer.

how about he searches for the other 40 broadcasting software thats also freeware?


ISBoxer is free, but to run it requires purchasing an Inner Space license from Lavish Software. $15 for 90 days.



Your joking, you have to buy a subscription? Shocked

That's just too funny, just goes to show that money can't solve stupid.....


Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#37 - 2013-03-22 03:21:21 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Cool, thanks guys I knew it was possible before just heard some multiboxing policies have changed recently as well as the new launcher etc, i was septic as to if I could have multiple accounts logged without being at risk of a ban Lol

Thanks all


There have been no such policy changes I'm aware of. One of the GMs explicitly said the policy on ISBoxer had not changed.


People go read the discussion on the dev blog from the security team. There has been changes to the policy regarding ISBoxer. GM Lelouch was the one who said it was ok, but 3 days ago, he edited the 3 year old post to change the policy, basically saying that they can't say if it's ok or not.... use at your own risk as they are not sure it's not breaking the EULA.

Sources:

Devblog
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74632

GM Lelouch post with the reedit:
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274


They had to revise their statement, because ISBOXER does break the EULA.

"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Since ISBoxer does provide a single player, with advantages over another single player not using it, it's against the EULA.


"Compared with ordinary gameplay" - ISboxer doesn't accelerate anything, it makes it slightly easier to make multiple accounts do the same thing. This is something that can also be done with out ISboxer with a little more :effort:

Some reading material for you. I would speculate that the reason for the policy change is due to ISboxer now offering users the capability to bot if they want to pay extra money or put a little effort in to coding the new module. Using it to multibox is still just fine according to CCP.



Stop drinking the koolaid.

Person 1:
Runs 20 accounts, No ISBoxer
Person 2:
Runs twenty accounts with ISboxer.

Do you really want to claim that that doesn't provide an huge advantage? Trying to justify it's use?

Doesn't matter, CCP is hooked on Alts, so the more you buy, the better...

Who knows, in a couple of years, you may be playing with yourself....

Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-03-22 04:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Stop drinking the koolaid.

Person 1:
Runs 20 accounts, No ISBoxer
Person 2:
Runs twenty accounts with ISboxer.

Do you really want to claim that that doesn't provide an huge advantage? Trying to justify it's use?

Doesn't matter, CCP is hooked on Alts, so the more you buy, the better...

Who knows, in a couple of years, you may be playing with yourself....


Koolaid. I assume that is some kind of obscure American beverage?

ISBoxer doesn't accelerate the aquisition of ingame items compared to normal game play.

Yes, it makes playing with multiple accounts easier in some cases, more difficult in others, but does not break any rules. No need to justify something that is still allowed, despite your claims.

I play with myself frequently.

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2013-03-22 07:49:01 UTC
Regarding ISBoxer, the thing that has changed is that it is no longer explicitly sanctioned. The reason, as stated by CCP in the botting dev blog thread is logical:

They can't permasanction 3rd party programs which change all the time, and CCP has no control over, nor the resources to follow every patch note of 3rd party releases for possibly EULA-breaching changes.

So while ISBoxer might not breach the EULA directly right now (I think it most certainly does but that's just imho), it might do it tomorrow and giving it a pre-emptive green light would put simply CCP in a difficult position.

.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2013-03-22 08:05:49 UTC
"ISBoxer doesn't accelerate the aquisition of ingame items compared to normal game play."

You're claiming that executing a single keystroke or mouse click is not faster than doing the same thing 20 times. Or that 20 ships does not execute a task faster than one ship. It's really a matter of realistic perspective vs rosy glass perspective. Yeah, an ISBoxed character is not any more accelerated than normally played character.

But an ISBoxer is acquiring ingame items at an accelerated pace compared to normal player when both control the same number of characters.

Furthermore ISBoxer massively extends the maximum amount of accounts a single player can feasibly control.

Compare this to a mission-running bot running one account 23/7 - perfectly possible by human without external programs as well. Activating a module on 40 ships simultaneously- impossible for a human without external programs. Yeah yeah one can construct mechanical devices that replicate keypresses across accounts.

But so can one construct mechanical device that runs missions. And yet one is banned, other not.





.

Previous page123Next page