Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why there is not a Clone facility at a POS yet? This would be something really usefull.

Obs: Jump clones don't work in WH Space. So This building probably would't too.

But if there is technology to build it up in a ship it makes no sense to don't be able to build in a POS. Also there are the outposts, and oly big alliances control them.... Don't you think that alowing this to be constructed in a POS would give a new "Spark" to new eden? At last all those players that don't have outposts/rorquals/titans/supercarriers would aprove the new power ballance change,

So you say that This simply can't be done because it is better for the new players other then the old ones?

This sounds dirt, gross, and much like reality.... You convinced me that CCP will never do this and I should abandon all my hope in CCP.

Right now, a clone bay in a POS would completely change many types of warfare.

To use a clone bay in a ship, it must be piloted and fueled. To use it in a POS opens too many options. WH warfare would take a massive hit, because an attacker would be at an even bigger disadvantage than they are now, (mass limits,) and null warfare would also take a hit because of the force projection it would allow.

As part of a POS revamp, I think this could be an option though. I think it would need a massively upgraded POS, (station level upgrade,) and I think JCs would probably be able to work this way with a second upgrade.

But the thing is jump clones are limited to 1 jump per day to all players, the skill to get clones is only a 1x skill, and most but not all null sec alliances have at least one station or access to Titan or Rorqual. So I don't understand how this creates a force projection issue.

There are plenty of stations in low sec which have other ways of using jump clone mechanics

The module should have a limit to the number of clones it can hold (fixed not variable by skills) somewhere in-between that of a rorqual and a titan.

Unless they did another stealth nerf you can jump to a clone vay bay thats host ship is in a POS bubble negating most of the risk of bringing the ship out.

Downside to the stations is that you still need standing. i'm going from the angle of actually paying to install them - obviously you can just leave a JC at a station. But yeah, there are a lot more stations in low than I remember there ever being (also in high, come to think of it). So nevermind this point now.

Limited module is nice, but it's still a bit too good -- I mean, you sit it inside a dickstar and the other guy is lookin at like 120+ million HP to grind through (plus timer) before he can even touch the module. This is where it becomes imbalanced in favor of larger/older groups capable of fielding caps.

You can't light a cyno in a POS bubble (or have they allowed that now too ) ... so there's still some risk to the rorq (before it gets in the POS).

right, and it's a damn pain getting into the bubble if you're slowboating it ... it's (in my experience, YMMV) much easier to jump in at POS A and warp into POS B (at least you'll have a semblance of "defence" from the POS). It's also just as effective to jump in at a throwaway safe.

However, these leave the rorq at risk of a point and web. I'd love to see it that local was gone, and you could have something like the Dominion trailer happen (because seriously, that situation can't happen -- the defense fleet would've known a neut/red was still in system):

"Stealth Recon uncloaking at 40..."
"GO GO GO"
"... He's lit a cyno!"

but as it stands right now, you don't have that in low or null for that matter ...

"oh, there's a neut here ... yeah, I'm *not* gonna light your beacon ... let's see if he leaves..."

This is an interesting idea.....

Why exactly do we want it?

Easier access to clone facilities? I'm not sure that we need this... Clone facilities are available via Titans, Rorquals, many NPC stations (once you have corp and/or personal standings), and ALL Player Controlled Outposts...

The ability to put a JC in a POS? This is the true benefit of this suggestion. You can't JC into a POS without a Titan or Rorqual, and that limits how quickly you can respond to an event at the POS. I honestly view the ability to instantly JC to a pos under attack, and land safely within the POS shields as a very BAD thing:

a.) You can try to claim that you can already do such a thing with a titan or Rorqual, but that's simply disingenuous, as logging in a Titan or Rorqual to a POS under siege is terribly risky. Furthermore, if you already have a Pilot that can log into the POS, you don't need to JC there!!

b.) Currently, without the ability to JC to the POS, when a POS is attacked you have to JC to a nearby station (which often is NOT nearby) and then fly, in space, to the POS (which is often risky and full of challenges). This makes setting stront levels to optimize RF timers trivial... This makes emptying lab, corp, & ship hangars trivial... This makes getting a cyno ship onto the field to cyno in a response trivial... Yuck...

c.) It would significantly change WH dynamics... Currently, if you are in a WH and get podded, you end up in k-space, and far from any action going on in the WH. This creates a balancing factor for WH invasions: The enemy has a mass-limited amount of force they can bring into the WH to assault a fortified force. That force potentially has access to significantly more ships, but every time the enemy pods a resident, that resident is removed from the fight. Changing this would make assaulting fortified WH's even more challenging, which I don't think is necessary!! (although I'll defer to WH raiders on this opinion).

Could this be balanced? Maybe, but I doubt it... because the real reason you want this is probably the reasons I DONT want this...

In short... NO....

Services should definitely be a part of a POS revamp.

Medical bay services as well as docking and repair, though maybe it might have an associated cost (have to put biomass in the med bay and have spare minerals and/or nanite paste in the repair yard, and both take a few minutes to complete their actions)