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All good men should come to the aid of the State.
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Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-03-21 19:51:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lialus Raithe
Interesting.

Suddenly this is Roden's war?

I detest your notion that "all good men" must come to the aid of the State, that implies that it is impossible for there to be "good men" on both sides of the conflict, which is objectively false. As for the assertion that this escalation of events is entirely the doing of the Federation, I suggest re-evaluating recent history.

The expectation that the Federation would remain indefinitely at the liberty of the State while its citizens are held literally at gun point on Caldari Prime while the State's leadership refused any form of negotiation is absolutely absurd.

These events have been set in motion by both sides in some degree or another and will continue to be escalated by both sides unless both sides agree to cease. Your attempts to paint the Federation as the sole aggressor are fallacious.

The lives hanging in the balance that are going to be lost because of this deserve better than to be used as a political ploy to paint one side the villain and the other the victim.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-03-21 19:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Lialus Raithe wrote:


These events have been set in motion by both sides in some degree or another and will continue to be escalated by both sides unless both sides agree to cease. Your attempts to paint the Federation as the sole aggressor are fallacious.


I'll continue to sit here.

We'll see who shoots first, yes?

So far, the titan and it's fleet have been engaged by only random capsuleers, so the Federation can still claim non-involvement.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-03-21 19:55:34 UTC
You neglect the hostage situation. The State has already "shot first," and continues to hold lives hostage as a deterrent to retaliation while refusing any form of non-aggressive negotiation.

It is obvious you have determined already how to perceive these events, regardless of the objective truths surrounding it so I will refrain from further comment.
joelinux
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-03-21 19:56:17 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Adel Khamez wrote:
Do you wish to submit to God, and follow the Scriptures? If not, then do not attempt to speak about God's will, Gallente.


You did, yet your actions speak hypocrisy. Where is it written to murder millions in the Scripture? Answer the question instead of using race to deflect them.

Quote:
This cluster will be reclaimed. I would prefer to do it peacefully, but if Roden wants a war, we will give him one until he is sick of it.


And now the truth comes out. A warmongerer, reclaiming by force if need by for 'God.' Tell me, why would God care so much about this particular tiny cluster to merit wanton death and destruction of innocent civilians that he supposedly gave LIFE?


If there was one thing that would pull the Gallente and Caldari together, it would be an attempt to Reclaim everything. Don't forget that the Caldari and Gallente share this cluster, Amarr.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-03-21 19:58:29 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
You neglect the hostage situation. The State has already "shot first," and continues to hold lives hostage as a deterrent to retaliation while refusing any form of non-aggressive negotiation.

It is obvious you have determined already how to perceive these events, regardless of the objective truths surrounding it so I will refrain from further comment.


You neglect the occupation of the Caldari Homeworld.

And the unwarranted suicide attack on a Caldari station by a Nyx. The State tried reason. That was thrown out along with thousands of Caldari lives.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-03-21 20:02:33 UTC
joelinux wrote:


If there was one thing that would pull the Gallente and Caldari together, it would be an attempt to Reclaim everything. Don't forget that the Caldari and Gallente share this cluster, Amarr.


The Empire is on very good relations with the State, and the Khanid Kingdom is a strong ally. Amarr missionaries are not forbidden in the State, so there is no religious conflict that cannot be resolved peacefully.

So why do you think I am acting against State interest?

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
joelinux
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-21 20:09:33 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
joelinux wrote:


If there was one thing that would pull the Gallente and Caldari together, it would be an attempt to Reclaim everything. Don't forget that the Caldari and Gallente share this cluster, Amarr.


The Empire is on very good relations with the State, and the Khanid Kingdom is a strong ally. Amarr missionaries are not forbidden in the State, so there is no religious conflict that cannot be resolved peacefully.

So why do you think I am acting against State interest?


"This cluster will be reclaimed."

We gladly accept your assistance and your alliance. We are not your targets for conversion. Our need for religious fulfillment starts and ends with our Achura.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-03-21 20:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
joelinux wrote:


"This cluster will be reclaimed."

We gladly accept your assistance and your alliance. We are not your targets for conversion. Our need for religious fulfillment starts and ends with our Achura.


Reclamation can be either peacefully done, or not. I prefer that it be done peacefully if possible. Achura can choose what faith to believe, yes?

I am sorry, but I allowed a secular pacifist to derail what was supposed to be a call for Amarri capsuleers to aid the State in this dire hour.

I should not have allowed him to troll me by pushing my faith like a button.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
joelinux
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-21 20:26:51 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
joelinux wrote:


"This cluster will be reclaimed."

We gladly accept your assistance and your alliance. We are not your targets for conversion. Our need for religious fulfillment starts and ends with our Achura.


Reclamation can be either peacefully done, or not. I prefer that it be done peacefully if possible. Achura can choose what faith to believe, yes?


Reclamation, peaceful or not, will not occur in our culture. We fought off Gallente Culture by parking a Titan over OUR homeworld. While I am grateful for our alliance, with all due respect, we have our own religious order, thanks.
Anslo
Scope Works
#30 - 2013-03-21 20:47:55 UTC
joelinux wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Adel Khamez wrote:
Do you wish to submit to God, and follow the Scriptures? If not, then do not attempt to speak about God's will, Gallente.


You did, yet your actions speak hypocrisy. Where is it written to murder millions in the Scripture? Answer the question instead of using race to deflect them.

Quote:
This cluster will be reclaimed. I would prefer to do it peacefully, but if Roden wants a war, we will give him one until he is sick of it.


And now the truth comes out. A warmongerer, reclaiming by force if need by for 'God.' Tell me, why would God care so much about this particular tiny cluster to merit wanton death and destruction of innocent civilians that he supposedly gave LIFE?


If there was one thing that would pull the Gallente and Caldari together, it would be an attempt to Reclaim everything. Don't forget that the Caldari and Gallente share this cluster, Amarr.


I'd fly wingman with you on that.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#31 - 2013-03-21 21:23:11 UTC
Gallente propagandists should stop spreading their filthy dissent and trolling the allies of the government proper of Caldari Prime. Its our ancient home anyway.

To my Khanid friend, Khanid Victory. May our Maker who I believe is the God of Amarr bless you.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#32 - 2013-03-21 21:27:41 UTC
Untill such time that the Imperial Throne or the Caldari State decide otherwise Amarr and Caldari are allies. For now, that is all that needs to be said on the matter publicly.

Empyrean House Murder.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
joelinux
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-21 22:19:39 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
Untill such time that the Imperial Throne or the Caldari State decide otherwise Amarr and Caldari are allies. For now, that is all that needs to be said on the matter publicly.

Empyrean House Murder.


Agreed. There will be no talk of ending treaties, just like there will be no discussion of Reclaimation.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#34 - 2013-03-21 22:41:02 UTC
Bahaha. What a laugh. I supposed all good women are free to aid the Federatio then? I think this will turn out well!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-03-21 23:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
joelinux wrote:
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
Untill such time that the Imperial Throne or the Caldari State decide otherwise Amarr and Caldari are allies. For now, that is all that needs to be said on the matter publicly.

Empyrean House Murder.


Agreed. There will be no talk of ending treaties, just like there will be no discussion of Reclaimation.


I had no intention of bringing up such a discussion. Let us worry about those who have made themselves our enemies instead. The King AND the Empress would have my head for offending our allies on the brink of war, and deservedly so.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-03-21 23:16:49 UTC
Anslo wrote:


I'd fly wingman with you on that.


So there IS something you would drop your pretensions of pacifism for?

Here I thought you believed that war was universally bad. I must have misunderstood you again.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-03-21 23:20:07 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Bahaha. What a laugh. I supposed all good women are free to aid the Federatio then? I think this will turn out well!


If nit-picking at language conventions is the best you Gallente can do, then we will win this.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Anslo
Scope Works
#38 - 2013-03-22 00:18:02 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Anslo wrote:


I'd fly wingman with you on that.


So there IS something you would drop your pretensions of pacifism for?

Here I thought you believed that war was universally bad. I must have misunderstood you again.


No. I just like annoying you. I don't care what race you are, but if you're an *******, you're an *******.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#39 - 2013-03-22 00:26:29 UTC
If there were any good men left, the heads of the empires would all be in prison and this war would be over.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-03-22 01:49:44 UTC
Good men will serve both the State and the Federation.

However, those who truly intend on doing good will remain neutral and will attempt to provide relief to those unwillingly caught in this clash of ideals.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
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