Skill Discussions

Go someone lock this thread please.

OP Please just go play something else, I actually enjoy the fact that with my limited time I have to play I can still keep my SP in line with some neckbeard nerd who can bash buttons all fecking day long because he has no life no girlfriend and and has shares in Kleenex.

You can be useful in EVE in less than a week ask that of any "other" MMO.

I personally couldn't give a monkies that 4 out of 5 new players quit, that just saves me from having to block another 4 idiots in local. Personally I believe that stat is incorrect as how do you account for all the scrubs in GSF?

*Goes off muttering to himself*

However few skill points you have, there is always something enjoyable to do in Eve.

Just use your skill points to have some fun.

It would have been the same defining feature if someone had invested a little bit of brains towards future developments (like, say, the game being around for 7 years...) and implemented a limited catch up mechanism.

Different approaches that come to mind:

- from the start for every potential 1M SP without any mapping bonus (i.e. worst possible rate a player then could have had) they should have moved x% into a speed up pool for pilots newly created. You could then define ways to access that speed up pool, be it via double SP generation and/or via specific in-game achievements and/or specific missions until that pool is used up. Obviously i'd prefer the more active approach via achievements or missions.

- round out the tutorial (at increased difficulty) by giving baseline skills once certain checkpoints are reached. For example something slightly above the size of the lvl1 epic arc could give you electronics V. This could be combined with a specialist missions/achievement set where you chose ONE specialist profession and at the end of the achievement/mission set (something in the timeframe of 1 month at 2h daily invested, minimum) you end up with Vs in the defining skills for that set (for example scanning skills). To make this less of a free give away, part of it could be in low sec.



I didn't write login, i wrote PLAYING.

There's a major difference between a capital pilot you can raise with only logging in to fill the skill queue and one that is played actively flying subcaps and making ISK and thus has to learn necessary skills for fitting requirements when they are needed, not when the (then 100% efficient) mapping is opportune. That can easily cost 50-100 days relative to the final goal.

How could it even be exploited?

Variant 1 would give you a x%*75M SP (roughly 7*365*2h*1200SP/h) buffer to be used up over time, either actively or passively depending on implementation for a character created today. (Retroactive implementation might be discussion-worthy up to a limit, buffer would have to be lower due to the very nature of it) Since there are already players with 200M SP out there you can see how conservative the approach already is, even independent of x, which could easily be as small as 10-20% and still make a difference for newbs.

Variant 2 would give a very specific boost that can be finetuned by the developers easily. Also, for the first time it would give truth to the concept that you can really catch up within a realistic time frame by specializing. By the active nature alone, how would it be exploitable?

This would let people train opposite mapped skills at perfect speed without using a remap. That's bad. You should have to choose between perfect training speeds in one area vs reasonable training speed in all areas. Unless you are taking lots of high rank skills to 5 right off the bat general remaps work just fine for the first few months. Only when you start going for T2 ships and weapons do specialized remaps really start to matter.


There are already too many scanning alts, market alts, freighter alts, mission alts, FW alts, and research alts. We don't need people who are able to play for 14+ hours a day churning out 5 more a week per person.

Any game mechanic that allows you to gain SP faster by completing quests or otherwise spending time logged in is bad mkay? If people want to be able to grind skills they can and should go play WoW. The fact that this makes EVE have less mass market appeal is what what makes EVE a good game. New toons are perfectly capable of contributing to pretty much any situation. The early days of Goonswarm and more recently the success of Brave Newbies Inc prove that handily.

I'm willing to bet that that Imperial Apocalypse would die to a couple of T2 fit Megathrons or a small gang of T1 cruisers with a few T1 logistic ships. Bling may matter in one on one fights but in a gang it just makes you the first to die cause everyone likes killmails with big numbers in them.

Can I have your stuff?

Excellent. I have been running low on those for a while now.

I'm sure they'll take your ideas under advisement, Chi'nane.

If there's one lesson CCP took away from the Incarna deployment, it's that dicking around with the core of Eve can really only help subscription numbers.

Plus, it totally makes sense to devalue the time-investment of every Eve player to date just to accommodate a few whiny gits with an inferiority complex. I mean, what could possibly go wrong, there?

Nope, pretty sure it's the whiny gits decrying having to play by the same rules as everyone else as "unfair".