EVE General Discussion

Eve was the greatest when nightfreeze had control

This ladyman speaks the truth. Some of the best fights/fleets I ever had were large freighter escort convoys, commerce raiding and supply chain interdictions.

Lets see in my day it was:

- Lag, Yulai, Lag, lag and a bit more lag
- Low sec was generally safe, no gate camps other than M00
- Everyone was NICE, litterally everyone seemed friendly, except M00 (they were the Goons of the day as in did weird stuff)
- Mining with 7 t2 lasers in a megathron
- Isk was hard to come by, you really had to work for it and 50K really was a good mark up
- Low population meant that the world seemed empty and you were the first person there...sadly lost
- No warp to 0 so bookmarking was a serious skill, and profitable to sell
- If you had a battleship you were a god!

Oh I forgot

- no 24hr skill queue, so setting alarms for 3am to make sure you don't miss those precious hours of training!

no cap ships

no jump bridges

no stacking penalties

no warp to zero


for people that love the cut throat style of eve it was the best.

Need to move? You're going to have to expose your assets or start anew wherever you're going.

Need a fight? Fleet up and go look for one. Sound like today?
Oh... perhaps I forgot to mention that when you engaged someone and they started losing, they couldn't magically make a trillion isk fleet appear right beside you.

The ability to move anywhere instantly and to instantly be able to project your force across space has shrunk the game in not a good way.

You think the big blue donut would exist if people knew it would be likely hour(s) before someone's allies could come bail them out of a bad situation?
Or if your only response to being one-upped on a battlefield wasn't to immediately cyno your entire capital fleet onto the enemy?

Supercaps and the sov bungle.... moons that never deplete their resources... so many things have been introduced poorly that we've just swept under the carpet.

I'm definitely one of those that fondly remembers the old days.

I'd like to see sov and cap warfare get fixed with the specific intention of making massive power blocks as incredibly difficult to maintain as possible. (This is eve, we want war, not NAP fests that allow the imbedded to farm their 10trillion isk wallets into a 100trillion isk wallets. 0.0 has always been about the big money (it comes with the risk) but it's just all gone so terribly terribly wrong.)

I'd like to see travel become a bit more of a pain in the ass again and distance across space become the equalizing element it once was.

I'd like to see much, much more space. Space should grow as our populations do. So much space it can't be controlled. Something to restore the perception of the universe being massively huge and empty awaiting opportunity. I can't explain what it was like to fly through such sparsely populated regions, but it just had an ambiance I have only since seen in wormholes (and bravo to CCP for that)

oh, and did I mention no stacking mods? Yes I did, and it was stupidly OP and awesome (no, it was good they fixed that). And fitting restrictions period were lax. BS mods on frigates, or how about 3 MWDs on your tempest?

Good times. Today looking back there is much nostalgia. However I can't say enough how great CCP has evolved this game. The current state of UI improvements, the quality they've rededicated themselves towards... it's just smashing, excellent, best MMO of all time.

.....If only we could fix 0.0 and cap warfare.

Do you remember when the mega pulse Raven did the rounds?

I also use to hunt ceptors in my buzzard, as it was pre ECM nerf. (not this char)

less children played EVE too, it'd be interesting to see a user age graph over time if there was one.

Does anyone else remember being able to bookmark missiles mid-flight?

Hi

When I started in 2004 ;

3000 players was the norm with a peak of 7000 on weekends

A battleship was an expensive item and it was considered a big deal if you 'lost' one.

Mining was a reasonable profession - in fact I mined for my first BS with a cruiser !

Missiles hit for full damage, regardless of target size.

15 mil skill points was considered godly.

Space seemed so big and empty .

And you could happily rat in a 0.4 undisturbed for hours on end - except for the one pirate that may stop by for a conversation.

( He would leave you alone if you where polite enough )

And finally that first 10 mil isk ( for a crusier ) was the hardest 10 mil you would ever make!

Yes it was more fun, you actually had to work together to make things happen, you got to know ur corp members a lot better and it was more a trust thing to get stuff done (opening for theft, treason etc). Also maybe the alliances nowadays are just too big?? It's just how you look at it. But in general a lot of things have been made easier where the older players liked to really feel the cold and harsh space reality.

I enjoyed finally getting that battleship to use after mining a month in a cruiser. The rewards where a lot more personal gratification (if you need a BS these days you drop a carrier on rats for 30 mins)

But yeah that took time, effort, trust and patience, and the xbox/playstation generation lack those skills..