Player Features and Ideas Discussion

More disruption battleships besides the Scorpion

Here is the thread I made up for it Disruption Battleships

Maybe if you were literate you would understand that he is right.

PLATES + PULSES = BRAWL is the formula for both.

I feel like the talos needs to lose its drones, and tracking bonus in exchange for a falloff bonus; this would make it the kitier bigger brother to the brawler brutix.

As far as which amarr battleship should be changed, I kinda like where they all are right now, but if one has to be changed, I vote apoc; the fact that it out DPSs the Rokh at all ranges > 15km is just wrong to me . . .

wow those changes to the talos would be sick!

whats the range we are looking at with a 10% to falloff on large neutrons with null? with two te II?

blasters the new autocannon?

so . . . you know that lasers use a lot of cap and instead of using the USEFUL bonus of reducing their cap usage you dont want that . . . you want that to be built into the gun making them better than blasters in 99% of circumstances, and then give lasers ANOTHER bonus making them better than blasters in 100% of circumstances?

yeah thats what we need

or plates and 1400's

plus you get great dps without having to rely on the heavy drones...

hands down the abbadon is the better ship... then the regular geddon...

if any ship needs a change is the tech I apoc...

then again tachs need a looking at too... but i am sure that will be looked at when they balance bs's...

oh and see my sig for spelling...

alpha it when its on low transversal?

but thats also true for the other 3 ships too right? dont get me wrong i love the talos as is though i do heavily feel its op with 5 lights...

HP buff to the battleship platform across the board. A well tanked battleship should have a buffer (but not mobility) of a well tanked T3..

Give the Gallente a fleet battleship...

The Dominix is currently a PVE/small gang utility boat, but it honestly fits that role quite well. If you want to rebrand "disruption battleships" with "utility battleships" you could have the dominix, scorpion, typhoon, and armageddon in this category.

Dominix could recieve a remote rep (or rr range) bonus, or be really ballsy and make it a micro-thanny with shield AND armor bonus. OR make the domi a disruption battleship, with a sensor dampening bonus and more mid slots. EVE needs more damps.

Scorpion could remain the ECM battleship, but give it the option of having a nastier shield tank (by modifying base stats to shield and away from armor) to encourage shield tanked fits. Getting more of these in fleets would add utility with more smartbombs/neuts on the field.

Typhoon is pretty much doomed to become a torpedo/drone boat w/o split weapons. Giving it a web range bonus would be incredible (even if only 7.5-10% per level.)

And the Armageddon, there's a couple options. Don't change it.. Make it a tracking disruption battleship, or make it a drone battleship, make it a neut battleship, or some combination thereof. Amarr doesn't need 3 iterations of Armor, Lasers, and beer. Spice things up a bit. Try a vodka tonic. Try some drones.

A less effective, less tanky bhaalgorn might still be overpowered for a t1 battleship, but a super-prophecy/arbitrator might be perfect.

All this in mind, the disruption/utility battleships should recieve a static scan resolution bonus, and maybe a few more points on their sensor strength.

They appear to need more incentive to be used as they are currently overshadowed by medium-weapon platforms. So, more HP, some more versatility, lessen the viability hit from getting bigger (slightly) by letting them target faster (but not as fast as BCs), and harder to remove their versatility through jamming.

Welcome to your new role So9mething of a double-edged job I imagine, but enjoy it while everyone's sweet on you

My 2 cents:

tier 3 BCs are pretty sweet. The talos is the odd one out but not because of the ship - rails are your problem here. Solve rails and then the Gallente have a sniping fleet BC too; but watch for overpowering the naga. It's a pretty firm 3rd place behind the tornado and oracle but it can still be a very respectable fleet ship because of the viability of using closer range ammo to substitute the weak natural damage of rails at range. Of course if you fix this issue then you arguably have an overpowered talos which is now good at long range fleets whilst also still being head-and-shoulders above the others for close range weaponry.


The dominix is perfect. The megathron needs rails to be sorted but otherwise is a great ship. The hyperion is a big white elephant. It's a tremendous tanker in a fight with a small number of opponents. That's it. It has a poor slot layout, it lacks a lot of pg and it isn't mobile enough to do the job it's ascribed.

The scorpion is also perfect -- niche role, unique amongst battleships, but that all works well. The raven needs cruise missiles and torps sorting out pls, otherwise it's a great ship. The rokh is also a pretty good ship but lacks that feeling of what it's actually supposed to be without gaining the vesatility feel of the dominix. It needs to decide if it snipes or uses blasters or tanks as a first choice whilst retaining all of the above as specialist fit-options. Fix rails and you may begin to solve this conundrum, but beware the naga/talos pitfall !

The typhoon is a great ship but the amount of skilling to get it to be as effective as it's counterparts is out of whack. Break the dual weapon mould and it'll be a brilliant ship. The tempest is a very good ship still but, without wanting to go back to the nano-pest days, it could do with a little more oomph regarding it's mobility - this comes with the usual stern warning about it being able to kite everything without giving up much in the way of dps due to the nature of autocannons. The maelstrom is in a better place than the hyperion, largely due to the nature of the implants to complement it's active rep bonus (crystals) and the advent of ASBs. It could do with having it's small scale combat role reinforced further if anything is to be done (though I'd say that if the hyperion can be brought up to the maelstrom's level then nothing need be done to maelstrom) as artillery is sufficiently good to also guarantee this ship a place in a lot of large fleets.

The armageddon is a perfect laser boat for the amarr, hard hitting, reasonably mobile for an amarr BS and with a good drone bay and slot layout for versatility. Perversely it's also probably high on the list to become an khanid missile spewer too. The one thing it's not so good at is the long range role (perhaps a look at beams might be in order?). If the geddon had a long range role with lasers you could then consider the apoc as a contender to be adapted to the khanid combat philosophy; if the geddon instead became the khaind missile ship then the apoc would remain a decent long range ship but lacking somewht on the tank front for a brawler role and might be well suited with a bit of toughening up. The abbadon is just about spot on for it's role except that it really is a bit too weak cap-wise, so that's about the only tweak I could suggest there.

Hope some of this is useful.

I have quite the experience with caldari battleships, so lemme give my 2 cents.

Raven - horrible tank. Needs to tank better than a drake passively to properly fit it's combat role (it is not supposed to be an attack battleship, it's supposed to be combat).
I was thinking of how to fix this with the raven's bonuses, and the best way I could think of would be to give it 7 missile hardpoints instead of 6, 10% velocity bonus as it currently has and 5% shield resistance bonus per level. This way it would have a bit less damage than it's current iteration, but have a more formidable tank. Also, it does not really need the 8th high slot, probably would be more useful to move a high to a 7th mid, because it's really hard to fit proper EWAR with a good tank. Raven should be a heavier drake, any way you slice it. A bit of a speed boost for the raven would be nice as well.

Rokh - good, but the naga does its job in many ops. Needs 75m drone bay, not 50. Needs to be faster velocity, currently extremely slow. Slot layout is reasonable. Maybe another mid if you guys add slots at all.

Scorp - Great, however a bit of a slot layout change would be beneficial to the ship. 5 Lows instead of 4 would help armor fitting the boat. Should be able to get a reasonable armor tank on the fit since it compromises the strength of jammers when putting a tank on the boat anyways. Take away a high slot in order to give it another low if necessary. Give it 5 Turret slots or 5 missile slots, because it should be able to do reasonable DPS (around 700 before drones) if fit for pure combat. You won't be able to get a heavy armor tank on the ship along with 5 guns or turrets (at least it should be designed that way) so this would be balanced. It should be that if you want to shield tank the boat and forget about the ECM, you can do it reasonably and with reasonable DPS.
Should have higher scan res than the raven or rokh, as an EWAR platform. Should be faster than the other two boats, since it will be having a small tank in comparison.

For the naga, I think it works fine the way it is. Speed is reasonable and damage projection is just fine considering its crap tracking.

For Minmatar BSes, I can only really comment on the mael or typhoon:

Mael - Pretty much the way a battleship should be. Considering it's huge alpha, it gets a reasonable buffer tank and can tank a ridiculous amount if active shield fit for small scale stuff. It has big powergrid, and doesn't suffer much fitting issues, so in comparison with the raven it does a lot better for an unbonused passive shield fit. It's bonuses are fitting and it's quite a useful ship. I would say leave it alone aside from any changes you do to all of the BSes (like the capacitor buff for all the T1 frigs).

Typhoon - This should be a missile boat. Don't need 3 projectile platforms. Make it get similar damage to the raven, but keep it an armor tank with much higher base speed (so it ends up a bit faster still than the raven when trimarked). Doesn't really need a velocity bonus to missiles, since it will be quite speedy. Bonus to target painting would be very nice. Would have to have more midslots to allow for painters to fit without gimping the fit though. Perhaps 6 launchers with a damage (or rate of fire, w/e) bonus per level, along with a target painting bonus and 5 midslots instead of 4, with the standard 7 lows. Doesn't need a huge drone bay, maybe 100/125 would be reasonable, but larger than the raven's. Making it look nicer would also be a good change...

Torps in general - easier to apply damage, higher torp velocity, less flight time to compensate.

Cruise missiles in general - extreme buff to velocity, should hit very quickly from launch, as to make them snipe-friendly. Reduce flight time drastically to compansate. Need better damage, however their flight time is the biggest reason people avoid them. It would be interesting if long range missile velocity increased as their size increased. Cruise velocity > heavy velocity > light velocity. This would make sense because on a huge missile like a cruise missile you could fit a powerful micro warp drive propulsion system that provides way more thrust than a light missile along with the larger payload. Compare a phoenix missile and a sidewinder missile from fighter jets, the phoenix is 25% larger but travels twice the speed of the sidewinder.

o7 hope you consider this stuff