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Legion LvL 4 Mission Fit
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Venom Switchblade
Valkier Corporation
#1 - 2011-10-29 17:57:52 UTC
Hi everyone, just though id put my setup on to see what people think and if they can suggest any improvments. All resist will be mission specific ill just use EM and Therm for the example and its cap stable at the moment.

Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Corpus X-Type EM Thermic Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II
Large Sheild Extender II (didnt know what to put here lol)

Focused Medium Beam Laser II (Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M)
Focused Medium Beam Laser II (Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M)
Focused Medium Beam Laser II (Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M)
Focused Medium Beam Laser II (Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M)
Focused Medium Beam Laser II (Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M)
Focused Medium Beam Laser II (Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M)

Medium Burst Aerator I (will be replaced with a Tech II shortly)
Medium Anti Thermic Pump II
Medium Anti EM Pump II

Thanks for taking time to look and any tips or improvements you can suggest P
Bormegil
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-29 18:24:32 UTC
Shield extender is just stupid. Fit a web. And no afterburner? That's just silly. A significant amount of your tank is derived from speed. And you do realise that the armour hardeners you're using run about 150 million a piece? Yet you're still planning on using a measly t2 armor repairer? Swap it out for something expensive. I'm pretty happy with my Centum A-type.

Honestly, I'd just suggest going to battleclinic and checking out some of the fits there -- there's a few specially tailored level 4 legions to look at. You jump in with this and you'll probably just die the moment you get scrambled and webbed down to 10 m/s, and you're sitting there wondering why your medium guns are constantly missing the frigates.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2011-10-29 18:30:42 UTC
You need a web, an AB, and, quite frankly, a completely different ship because the Legion is horrid for L4s.
Bormegil
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-29 18:37:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
You need a web, an AB, and, quite frankly, a completely different ship because the Legion is horrid for L4s.


Eh, depends on your skills. When I can use t2 medium pulses in a few days, it will greatly outperform my navy apocalypse. And will continue to do so for quite some time. Besides that, they make the missions a little more interesting.
Venom Switchblade
Valkier Corporation
#5 - 2011-10-29 19:46:52 UTC
i already have a full set of the X-type armor hardeners. I have swapped the shield extender for an B type 10mn after burner. As for hittin frigs i never seem to have a problem 3000 meters or more and i hit nearly every time, i was thinkin of swappin the T II guns for Factional versions as well as there a bit better.

Ive been runnin 4's for a while in it, it does the job i was just wondering if any suggestions to make them faster, the AB is useful though, so ty for that :).

Also ive got my self a better armor rep now the Centum A-Type its much better. so thanks for that :)

Whats u think to the gun its either the Heavy Beam laser or the Medium Focused beam lasers?

ty
Bormegil
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-29 20:38:08 UTC
Neither. I didn't comment on the guns because I simply assumed they'd be t2 medium pulses, which is about the only thing you want. Lose the DCU, throw in another heatsink (the faction heat sinks -- like True Sansha -- give a couple percentage over the normal t2 variety if you're trying to maximize your DPS), and swap the resistance pumps out for nanobot accelerators or auxiliary pumps, dependent on how much cap you need. Lose the burst aerator for an ancillary current router -- you'll be doing way more damage with the pulses anyway, and you'll probably need the router to fit them. And besides, I don't think there's enough calibration points on the legion to even fit the three t2 rigs you'd planned. I'm not sure what your skills are at, but using all level fives and plugging in first your fit, you're getting around 425 DPS omnitank, and 425 dps output. Make some of the changes I gave and it'll bump you up to about a 520 dps with scorch, and 700ish depending on what high-damage crystals you end up using. And you'll still have around 400 dps tank, more depending on the mission and hardeners, and what armour rigs you choose.
Venom Switchblade
Valkier Corporation
#7 - 2011-10-29 21:56:26 UTC
i read else where that beams would be better, but ill get some pulse and give them a run. Thanks for the fit and improvement ill get it all sorted out.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2011-10-29 22:36:15 UTC
Bormegil wrote:
Tippia wrote:
You need a web, an AB, and, quite frankly, a completely different ship because the Legion is horrid for L4s.


Eh, depends on your skills. When I can use t2 medium pulses in a few days, it will greatly outperform my navy apocalypse.


No it won't. The range advantage of large lasers over medium lasers is staggering when it comes to practical mission completion times. Medium beams can't even compete with large pulses and the latter put out significantly more damage. And no, a little speed won't help that as much as you might think.

Bormegil wrote:
Besides that, they make the missions a little more interesting.


That at least is true. But you won't get the same level of efficiency you would out of a properly skilled mission BS under any circumstances.
mingetek
Brainless in Space
#9 - 2011-10-29 23:08:29 UTC
billy goat gruff powers are telling me this is A troll.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2011-10-30 01:59:09 UTC
The problem is that medium lasers are thoroughly inadequate for L4 missions: they lack the damage projection that you want for large targets, and they lack the accuracy needed for the actually dangerous ships — the scrambling/webbing frigates.

If you absolutely want to use medium lasers, I would suggest the Harbinger. It requires a bit of fancy flying to keep its tank from being overwhelmed, and as a bonus, it can field drones to take care of all the tiny stuff.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-10-30 02:13:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The problem is that medium lasers are thoroughly inadequate for L4 missions: they lack the damage projection that you want for large targets, and they lack the accuracy needed for the actually dangerous ships — the scrambling/webbing frigates.

If you absolutely want to use medium lasers, I would suggest the Harbinger. It requires a bit of fancy flying to keep its tank from being overwhelmed, and as a bonus, it can field drones to take care of all the tiny stuff.


Are you seriously suggesting a Harby over a Legion for 4's? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?! What?What?What?RollRollRoll
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Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#12 - 2011-10-30 03:25:39 UTC
Overtanked herpa derpa doo.
Mythradites
Dead and Delirious
Brotherhood of Spacers
#13 - 2011-10-30 06:46:23 UTC
Highs
5x Heavy Pulse Laser II
1x Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher

Mids
1x Cap Recharger II
1x 10MN Afterburner II
1x Stasis Webifier II

Lows
1x Armor Thermic Hardener II
1x Medium Armor Repairer II
1x Armor EM Hardener II
2x Heat Sink II
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Rigs
1x Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
2x Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Subsystems

Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Emergent Locus Analyzer
Nanobot Injector
Fuel Catalyst
Liquid Crystal Magnifiers


This is the fit that I use for Solo Exploration/LVL 4s/C2-C3 WHs and I have absoloutly no issues whatsoever. Its a T2 version of one of the popular ones on Battleclinic. Scorch and Navy Multi works out really well for ammo. I dont have the stats on hand as far as resists ect ect but about 90% of my skills are to 5 that pertain to everything this fit uses. I havent gone faction or anything like that because with the T2 there is no need.

It works for me.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2011-10-30 13:14:38 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting a Harby over a Legion for 4's? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?! What?What?What?RollRollRoll
I'm suggesting neither, because both rely on ill-suited medium lasers, but of the two, the Harby at least has the drones to deal with the small and annoying crap. If you're going to be ineffective, you might as well be ineffective cheaply.
Lili Lu
#15 - 2011-10-30 16:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Tippia wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting a Harby over a Legion for 4's? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?! What?What?What?RollRollRoll
I'm suggesting neither, because both rely on ill-suited medium lasers, but of the two, the Harby at least has the drones to deal with the small and annoying crap. If you're going to be ineffective, you might as well be ineffective cheaply.


Agreed, neither ship is suited for level 4s. Getting a Harby to tank a level 4 is quite problematic. We're not talking Drake better than BS level tanking ability by any stretch of the imagination. Active armor tanking especially with a MAR will never approach the op BC shield regen tanking. The Legion on the other hand can be set up to active armor tank a level 4. But, also, I agree that medium pulse lasers are not so great for level 4s, mainly due to range limitations. Even with scorch the range just is not good enough, imo. So the Harby is a practical non-starter, and the Legion is suboptimal, for level 4s.

I have used an absolution in level 4s. Fitting it with 6 medium heavy beams, combined with the ship bonuses, makes it actually a pretty fast level 4 ship. Thus medium lasers can shine in level 4s on the abso. The further qualification being that this ship is best used against rogue drones. Rogue drone BSs do mainly explo and thermal and some kinetic, and aside from the thermal, the Abso's tech II resists are already set up to take it. Then the abso is of course using lasers, and even though medium lasers they are well bonused by the ship, so it is a good amount of the best damage with sufficient range against rogue drones.

However, if you want to do level 4s in an amarr/laser ship, just get any of the amarr tech I BSs, or a imperial navy version of the apoc or geddon, or a paladin or nightmare. All of these will be better than any smaller than BS amarr ship except possibly the Absolution (again see above).