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The Talos how will you fly it?

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Jim Pooley
Swiss Army Spoons
#21 - 2011-10-29 12:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Pooley
Like this......

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

*boom*

aw shiiiit.



ooh, and er 2nd page snipe? I think thats good?
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#22 - 2011-10-29 12:45:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Frayn
With nothing but plates, trimarks and resists to make it last 16 seconds in a fight instead of 8 seconds.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-29 12:51:46 UTC
Jim Pooley wrote:
Like this......

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

*boom*

aw shiiiit.





More or less......


Maybe a "lol did you see what I did to that drake?' I there somewhere.
Spectre80
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-29 13:05:24 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
Twisted Alice wrote:
It's a nice looking ship, but with the fittings might look a big heavy at the front.


It will be fine.... as long it keeps moving backwards....


i would think thats not a problem considering gallente french origin
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#25 - 2011-10-29 13:26:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
Spectre80 wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
It will be fine.... as long it keeps moving backwards....


i would think thats not a problem considering gallente french origin


Fous le camps et morte*, Caldari pig! Gallente toujours!TwistedTwisted

Cala

*I mean in that in a nice, non-offensive way.

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.

Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-10-29 14:13:39 UTC
Spectre80 wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
Twisted Alice wrote:
It's a nice looking ship, but with the fittings might look a big heavy at the front.


It will be fine.... as long it keeps moving backwards....


i would think thats not a problem considering gallente french origin


So you want a hit with my baguette in ta gueule so you stop saying de la merde??

Fcking roostbeef Lol
Vmir Gallahasen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-10-29 16:56:50 UTC
Arthur Frayn wrote:
With nothing but plates, trimarks and resists to make it last 16 seconds in a fight instead of 8 seconds.

[Talos, Talos fit]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

611 DPS w/o drones, 36.6k EHP vs RF Fusion



[Hurricane, Hurricane fit]

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


549 DPS w/o drones, 48.9k EHP vs Hybrids


The sad bit is even if your supposed glass cannon (with the current stats and bonuses anyway) starts out at point-blank range against a non-moving target AND manages to apply the full paper dps which is almost never the case, you still haven't got a prayer of beating a nanocane in a point blank fight. And if you start out at anything other than point blank, even if you do manage to get into range you're still going to lose. And if the hurricane chooses the absolute worst possible ammo to use against you, your EHP is about even -- you may eke out a win. Barely. Did I mention the nanocane is faster in this configuration? With better range? Better tracking obviously. And two utility slots, great for anti-frigate defenses like neuts.

Even with a couple years worth of Gallente cruiser+ short range uselessness, CCP still manages to implement what I might even dare say is the worst blaster platform yet. It might find some use in a blob to prevent runners from getting back to the gate, but that's all


TL;DR
New short range blaster boat sucks at short range. Like every other blaster boat larger than a frigate. I'll probably put light neutrons on mine to surprise the frigates thinking Tier 3 bc will be easy kills
Cunane Jeran
#28 - 2011-10-29 17:28:11 UTC
I'll be flying it with a semi.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-10-29 18:02:41 UTC
Cunane Jeran wrote:
I'll be flying it with a semi.



Just fit 800mm Autos and make them "WTF" Lol
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#30 - 2011-10-29 18:23:09 UTC
I will warp to you at zero and blow you to hell and back before you know it. Is that a plan?

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2011-10-29 18:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Nvm, I can't read… Oops
Chronix Beebelbrox
#32 - 2011-10-29 19:20:34 UTC
Packaged in a hauler to sell it, if that.

Large Hybrid V and the way it looks now I probably won't fly this very much at all.

The oracle and tornado look like the better ships and even the naga has better hybrid bonuses. Only 5% to large hybrid damage so even downsizing the turrets to mediums to overcome the lack of any tracking bonuses makes no sense. But hey there is the web bonus, sure, good idea, except you will need to use a web that costs more than the entire ship and all its fittings to have any hope of actually webbing something and even then your chances are poor cuz you will be slower than snail **** cuz ur armor tanked.

Maybe shield tanked so it can actually catch something and hopefully there are some more inviting targets for my enemies to shoot at so I don't get alpha'd before I can even turn my guns on.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2011-10-29 20:29:10 UTC
Vmir Gallahasen wrote:
Arthur Frayn wrote:
With nothing but plates, trimarks and resists to make it last 16 seconds in a fight instead of 8 seconds.

[Talos, Talos fit]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II
Ion Blaster Cannon II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

611 DPS w/o drones, 36.6k EHP vs RF Fusion



[Hurricane, Hurricane fit]

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


549 DPS w/o drones, 48.9k EHP vs Hybrids


The sad bit is even if your supposed glass cannon (with the current stats and bonuses anyway) starts out at point-blank range against a non-moving target AND manages to apply the full paper dps which is almost never the case, you still haven't got a prayer of beating a nanocane in a point blank fight. And if you start out at anything other than point blank, even if you do manage to get into range you're still going to lose. And if the hurricane chooses the absolute worst possible ammo to use against you, your EHP is about even -- you may eke out a win. Barely. Did I mention the nanocane is faster in this configuration? With better range? Better tracking obviously. And two utility slots, great for anti-frigate defenses like neuts.

Even with a couple years worth of Gallente cruiser+ short range uselessness, CCP still manages to implement what I might even dare say is the worst blaster platform yet. It might find some use in a blob to prevent runners from getting back to the gate, but that's all


TL;DR
New short range blaster boat sucks at short range. Like every other blaster boat larger than a frigate. I'll probably put light neutrons on mine to surprise the frigates thinking Tier 3 bc will be easy kills


Did you use the proposed stats for Blasters?

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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-10-29 21:51:45 UTC
Rhinanna wrote:
Same as all blaster boats, warp to zero, web, destroy.

Not much good for chasing stuff down but thats not really it's job.


The Talos is actually quite fast, 1600 plate + trimarks (your typical tank on one) and your matching the speed of a nanocane, sans the plate and trimarks its faster than a nanocane. Thats fast enough to catch stuff.

But yeah, basic playstyle, warp to 0, web, destroy.

As with all of the tier 3 BCs speed and small sig is part of its tank, none of them can fit large buffers. Active tanks might also be an option for some fits.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-10-29 21:53:33 UTC
damn it.. why doesnt the mega work this way?
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-10-29 22:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodoric Darkwind
1160 dps, 39k ehp, 1332 m/s with MWD, 200m sig radius, can run MWD for 3m 10s, cap stable with MWD off

Whats not to like. Its already borderline OP, giving it more tank would make it unbalanced. There is absolutely no reason not to fit the largest size BS gun on any of the tier 3 BCs, they fit better than they do on most BS.

[Talos, Neutron Blastalos]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Ur235
Appetite 4 Destruction
#37 - 2011-10-29 22:06:35 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
1160 dps, 39k ehp, 1332 m/s with MWD, 200m sig radius, can run MWD for 3m 10s, cap stable with MWD off

Whats not to like. Its already borderline OP, giving it more tank would make it unbalanced. There is absolutely no reason not to fit the largest size BS gun on any of the tier 3 BCs, they fit better than they do on most BS.

[Talos, Neutron Blastalos]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5



This

hmm

Kiyl
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#38 - 2011-10-29 22:13:14 UTC
Ur235 wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
1160 dps, 39k ehp, 1332 m/s with MWD, 200m sig radius, can run MWD for 3m 10s, cap stable with MWD off

Whats not to like. Its already borderline OP, giving it more tank would make it unbalanced. There is absolutely no reason not to fit the largest size BS gun on any of the tier 3 BCs, they fit better than they do on most BS.

[Talos, Neutron Blastalos]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5



This

Is Hawt.
Michael Turate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-10-29 22:28:05 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
1160 dps, 39k ehp, 1332 m/s with MWD, 200m sig radius, can run MWD for 3m 10s, cap stable with MWD off

Whats not to like. Its already borderline OP, giving it more tank would make it unbalanced. There is absolutely no reason not to fit the largest size BS gun on any of the tier 3 BCs, they fit better than they do on most BS.

[Talos, Neutron Blastalos]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5


Respec.
JamesCLK
#40 - 2011-10-29 22:32:17 UTC
I especially like the part where the tracking script working with a 90% web + scram makes you able to hit just about anything :P.
Not even frigates will be safe!

90 % webs are fun! <3

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