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All good men should come to the aid of the State.

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Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-03-21 18:02:46 UTC
As inexperienced as I am, and even though I'm just a Khanid Amarri, I think I need to move my ship to Caldari Prime today.

Matters are coming to a head, and it looks like Roden is preparing to pull the trigger. We must all do our duty.


This is all too bad. Many will die soon, and I am sure that God's angels will be very busy.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Anslo
Scope Works
#2 - 2013-03-21 18:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
So you see disaster coming and you'd rather help add fuel to the coming fire than help people get out of the war zone?

Does your 'God' approve of raining hellfire on civilians instead of helping them get out when you have the means?

So I'll say this.


All good people should be helping those caught in the cross fire. Baseliners, regardless of race or creed, don't deserve to die because of a political **** waving contest.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-03-21 18:15:35 UTC
Pacifism only works if all men practice it, Anslo.

I have not noticed this happening much in New Eden.

I will support my Empress and her chosen allies.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2013-03-21 18:20:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
So you value the word of men over God? You value trivial fights over celestially tiny matters more than keeping innocent people alive and allowing them to see another glorious day your God provided?

Did your God say to kill the Gallentean and State civilians to assist the State in holding their planet? Did God tell you to allow civilians to die because of a FOOLISH and OUTDATED issue that could be resolved peacefully if certain leaders would stop acting like children?

Did your God say to follow the actions of men who are prone to violence and let them lead you? Or did He say to lead by example? To do good in His name? To encourage your fellow man to follow that action?

Is good only applicable to people your allied with? Do you think God Almighty cares a ******* bit about a territory dispute that could be solved by sitting down and talking?

Well?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-03-21 18:28:46 UTC
Anslo wrote:


Is good only applicable to people your allied with? Do you think God Almighty cares a ******* bit about a territory dispute that could be solved by sitting down and talking?

Well?


Do you wish to submit to God, and follow the Scriptures? If not, then do not attempt to speak about God's will, Gallente.

This cluster will be reclaimed. I would prefer to do it peacefully, but if Roden wants a war, we will give him one until he is sick of it.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Anslo
Scope Works
#6 - 2013-03-21 18:31:19 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Do you wish to submit to God, and follow the Scriptures? If not, then do not attempt to speak about God's will, Gallente.


You did, yet your actions speak hypocrisy. Where is it written to murder millions in the Scripture? Answer the question instead of using race to deflect them.

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This cluster will be reclaimed. I would prefer to do it peacefully, but if Roden wants a war, we will give him one until he is sick of it.


And now the truth comes out. A warmongerer, reclaiming by force if need by for 'God.' Tell me, why would God care so much about this particular tiny cluster to merit wanton death and destruction of innocent civilians that he supposedly gave LIFE?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-03-21 18:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Anslo wrote:

You did, yet your actions speak hypocrisy. Where is it written to murder millions in the Scripture? Answer the question instead of using race to deflect them.


I made no evasions, and have practiced no hypocrisy.

Behold:

"The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being.

Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old world and created a new one.

The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man.

To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled.

The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil.

Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority."

## The Scriptures, Book I.



I care not what your Gallente Heathenistic religion dictates. It will probably be banned soon by your secular rulers anyway.

The Empress interprets the word of God, Gallente. She has revealed to us that we are to make common cause with the Caldari State, therefor I obey.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Anslo
Scope Works
#8 - 2013-03-21 18:40:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
"When the ears hear only

The mouth shouting

And the eyes see only

The fingers broken

The world has turned

And God has gone

Left us with fond memories

Of sweet life without pain."

- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 8:18




"There will be neither compassion nor mercy;

Nor peace, nor solace

For those who bear witness to these Signs

And still do not believe."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10


Your race doesn't matter, Adel. We're all human, we all end. You think being Amarr gives you the right to murder civilians. You're wrong.

I might not appreciate your faith, but your book has some good lessons in it for sure. Don't use those lessons perversely like so many in the church do.

By the way, just because I'm Gallente doesn't mean I close my ears and eyes to anything outside the Federation. Maybe if you opened yours, you'd learn more and be a better man for it.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Rosen Thornn
House of Nightshade
#9 - 2013-03-21 19:09:47 UTC
We can quote scriptures to each other till the end of time, and in the end they are just words lost in the vacuum of space. I choose to be judged by my actions.
I am choosing to help my fellow man this day. Some of us think we are better than those who are not capsuleers. We put our self on a pedestal above them. One day, that pedestal will crumble and we capsuleers will fall towards the ground. Those people below us can either catch you or let you crash. The choice is yours.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-03-21 19:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Anslo wrote:


Your race doesn't matter, Adel. We're all human, we all end. You think being Amarr gives you the right to murder civilians. You're wrong.

I might not appreciate your faith, but your book has some good lessons in it for sure. Don't use those lessons perversely like so many in the church do.

By the way, just because I'm Gallente doesn't mean I close my ears and eyes to anything outside the Federation. Maybe if you opened yours, you'd learn more and be a better man for it.


You might want to carefully study Reclaiming 25:10. There is a message there for you.

And taking Armageddon 8:18 out of context does not impress me.

Yes, we are all human. But you are not saved, and are merely attempting to mine the scriptures for passages for something to support your secular goals. You are not fooling anyone.

Roden has decided to ramp up his aggression against our faith's allies, and honor makes our course very clear.

If you want to be a pacifist secular humanist, I would suggest talking to Roden, and asking him to stop having his puppets blow up office buildings on Caldari soil.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Anslo
Scope Works
#11 - 2013-03-21 19:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Adel Khamez wrote:


You might want to carefully study Reclaiming 25:10. There is a message there for you.

And taking Armageddon 8:18 out of context does not impress me.


Now who is ignoring the signs? You can't say this doesn't apply to me but it does apply to you and remain credible.

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Yes, we are all human. But you are not saved, and are merely attempting to mine the scriptures for passages for something to support your secular goals. You are not fooling anyone.


It's secular to want to save baseliners?

At this point, you're beyond reason. I was hoping to use your own scriptures to get you to understand, but you don't want to.

I'll simply reiterate what I said before;

If you value human life over politics, if you consider yourself 'good' in this stupid cluster we call home where good and bad get more blurred than an ensigns vision at his Naval welcome party, get to Luminaire NOW and start helping people off Caldari Prime who want to leave.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-03-21 19:18:15 UTC
Rosen Thornn wrote:
We can quote scriptures to each other till the end of time, and in the end they are just words lost in the vacuum of space. I choose to be judged by my actions.
I am choosing to help my fellow man this day. Some of us think we are better than those who are not capsuleers. We put our self on a pedestal above them. One day, that pedestal will crumble and we capsuleers will fall towards the ground. Those people below us can either catch you or let you crash. The choice is yours.


And I choose to stand with my friends, and help them fight naked aggression.

You can fight against those that would aggress against your friends, or you can stand aside, and be peaceful ... and then their will be no one left to catch you when those aggressors decide to knock down.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#13 - 2013-03-21 19:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
I pray that the Federation will not commit any hostile actions and force the State's hand, though I feel that is unlikely at this point. This sort of conflict will only cause tragedy, and it is a shame that those fighting on the surface seem to believe defiance is more important than lives.

I echo mister Khamez's remarks, and hope that good men will support the State's hold over the planet. Perhaps, if the State can make a large enough show of force, the Federation will pause to think before triggering further escalations of the situation.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-03-21 19:22:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:


It's secular to want to save baseliners?

At this point, you're beyond reason. I was hoping to use your own scriptures to get you to understand, but you don't want to.


Exactly. You merely use scripture. You do not believe or study them, you merely mine them for useful tidbits. Stop attempting to teach me about something you personally think is outmoded or false, infidel.

And what of those 800 murdered in that office building? Are they now no longer human? And on top of that Roden is pounding the drums, and supporting even more conflict. If you want peace, look to your own leaders.

The proper response to aggression is immediate self-defense.

Your pacifism does not work in the face of evil.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Anslo
Scope Works
#15 - 2013-03-21 19:27:42 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:

Exactly. You merely use scripture. You do not believe or study them, you merely mine them for useful tidbits. Stop attempting to teach me about something you personally think is outmoded or false, infidel.


Where did I say something about outmoded or false? I said it has some good lessons in it. That's the point of the damn book. You mine it and ready it and find what applies to your life and use it. It's not something you're supposed to use to beat in non-amarrian heads with. It's supposed to be a tool to help you guide yourself in decision making.

I showed you what verses I thought would make sense to you to see where I was coming from, but you ignored it just because I'm not amarrian or clad in a rob ready to bring fire and brimstone to people on a planet who just want to live.


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And what of those 800 murdered in that office building? Are they now no longer human? And on top of that Roden is pounding the drums, and supporting even more conflict. If you want peace, look to your own leaders.


You just don't read, do you? I don't care if it's from the State or Fed, both sides are acting like children. You just assume I'm on one side because I'm Gallentean. You really need to check your logic before making accusations.

And where did I say only Gallente civi's should live? Seriously? Give me a break.

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The proper response to aggression is immediate self-defense.

Your pacifism does not work in the face of evil.


More evil than adding to the evil of violence at the expense of innocence? I.E. what you're doing and condoning?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-03-21 19:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Interesting ... various Gallente and Minmatar are already attempting to engage the Titan's escorts. There is an astounding amount of dead hulls around the Titan's position.

It looks like the aggression has started already.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#17 - 2013-03-21 19:37:16 UTC
Odd. I see Caldari and Amarrians engaging too.

Your half-baked reporting of the situation does no one favours Khamez.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-03-21 19:38:23 UTC
Anslo wrote:


You just don't read, do you? I don't care if it's from the State or Fed, both sides are acting like children. You just assume I'm on one side because I'm Gallentean. You really need to check your logic before making accusations.


This is not reading misinterpretation. I disagree with many of your basic premises.

If you wish to reject the Federation's aggressive policies, then this is good character on your part, yes.

I cannot stay on the sidelines in the face of these acts. If you wish to stick to evacuating the wounded and non-combatants, then may you be successful, if God wills it.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-03-21 19:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Odd. I see Caldari and Amarrians engaging too.

Your half-baked reporting of the situation does no one favours Khamez.


The Caldari or Amarrans that are engaging have apparently abandoned their countries. Too bad.

Regardless, capsuleers have engaged the titan. So far the Federation Navy has not made an appearance.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-03-21 19:46:51 UTC
And now they are shooting at each other, and CONCORD has shown up.

Somehow this does not surprise me.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

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