Science & Industry

Oh god, does it really take 2-3 hours to get 30m together? That's even worse than I thought.



Anyways, if any of you are actually looking for advice, I suggest listening to this Gizznitt guy. He seems like he knows what's up.

what are you even doing that gets you ganked that often

stop talking **** to people in local hth

34.6k ehp vs thrashers, 42 vs cats, costs 290m. Terrible yield.

Also the extra 100m for 2k ehp from T2 rigs is a terrible idea.

Are you trying to troll miners or what?

Your spambot in Sebestior Tribe is annoying everybody.
You're doing yourself no favour with this,
but thanks for using it, so i can point it out.

Moron.

unboosted yes, solo mining will make you 10-15 mil an hour. ICE mining will make you a best about 8 mil an hour. This is why mining is best done in fleets. A maxed out HULK with maxed boosts can bring in easily 30 mil an hour. Still only about half what you can make running missions, but most serious miners not only run fleets but mutibox several accounts.

On paper a HULK can hit over 3000m3 per minute with max skills, max boosts, drones, and some inplants. At the current price of scrodite being 221isk/m3 according to Cerlestes.de a HULK can in theory pull in about 40 mil per hour. So 30 mil/hr is very realistic when maxed out.

For example, I my self have 4 accounts. I can easily make 60 mil an hour running missions, adding extra accounts I can complete the missions faster. First account flys a mission fit BS, second account flys a noctis for doing the loot and salvage. Third account fly's a battlecruiser, usually a drake, with a remote repair or energy transfer mod to assist the BS and is fit to hit the smaller ships. The main BS concentrates on the BS and BC rats while the BC takes out frigates and cruisers. Adding the fourth account is generally another BC or e-war depending on the mission. Although I rarely run all four accounts for mission running. the fourth account seems to slow me down as it is another ship to keep track of for aggro and targeting, without much benefit. The fourth account does not seem to add much to my over all income.

The point is running 3 accounts for mission running will allow me to consistently bring in 80-100 mil an hour, adding the fourth account puts me at a solid 100M an hour but only slightly improves efficiency.

Running 4 accounts in a mining fleet is much easier to manage. 3 HULK's and an ORCA I make an easy 100M per hour with far less effort. My HULK's are not quite maxed out but very close, and my ORCA pilot has all but the mining foreman mindlink. Once I add the mindlink I can make more isk with the 4 accounts mining than mission running.

Once you have more than 4 accounts mining becomes far more profitable than mission running. I have personally run up to 6 accounts. But I only activate the extras while mineral prices were high enough to make it worth the effort. There are many miners out there with many accounts. I know of 1 guy that had at one point 75 accounts using a mutiboxing 3rd party program which was under debate as to whether it was considered botting or not. According to what I read, CCP did not consider it botting as the player had to actually be at the keyboard to run it, the program just duplicated the actions of the primary client across the slave clients. Since it was still a person inputting the commands it was determined that it was not botting.

Not really that bad when you are a month old. It lets you build up ISK to buy ships and equipment to run level 3s then 4s.

I ran level 1s to start: payouts were very poor and people (non-NPCs) were trying t o kill me.

In less than a month I was running level 3s and mixing it with some mining (paid better than 3s). After seven week, I was doing level 4s... poorly... but never mined again.

PS. My skills were kind of off... training up Destroyers and Battlecruiser to 5 before Retribution... end of Dec.... first of the year.

Note: the skills don't really transfer, but in my seven weeks I did get some insight into mining.

Exactly. This is just a guy trying to get people to undock as tasty KM bait with named modules. Granted, he's an idiot for thinking more than a barest handful of people will actually follow this advice, and then thinking he or his friends will find one of the 5 idiots in EVE (at best) who would actually undock a fit directly pulled from this thread.

I've decided to design my own noob miner here, just in case anyone has gotten this far and is looking for a non-******** fit.

Venture
[High Power]
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I

[Medium Power]
Medium Shield Extender I
Medium Shield Extender I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

[Low Power]
Mining Laser Upgrade I

[Drones]
2 light scout drones of choice

This build was designed so that you don't need all 5's to get into. You do need either engineering 4 or shield upgrades 4, with the other being 3, to make powergrid fit. But I think that this is a reasonable ship to get into if you're looking to be a miner. If the Cu vapor miners are too expensive you can fit lower meta miners instead, they fit just fine. It's also possible to fit a salvager in the open high power slot, or you could put a damage control in the low if you need a bit more tank.

With the meta 4 miners this ship is ~1m isk, about 500k with miner I's. It's gankable by 1 catalyst, but it's more expensive to gank with a catalyst than it is to replace.

4 catalysts

You're lucky/were surrounded by even weaker targets.