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BREAKING NEWS: Ground Fighting Erupts on Caldari Prime

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Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#181 - 2013-03-20 18:41:17 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
So no, genocide against one of the other three Empires is never an option, at least not for the Federation.


Oh now the Federation is against Genocide. Great timing.


The soul of the son soiled by the sins of the father?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#182 - 2013-03-20 19:16:28 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
So no, genocide against one of the other three Empires is never an option, at least not for the Federation.


Oh now the Federation is against Genocide. Great timing.


Something on your mind?


For the record, ridding the cluster of a criminal element isn't genocide.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#183 - 2013-03-20 20:13:39 UTC
When the stated purpose of an entity is the domination (and subsequent 'unification') of all mankind under a single banner heralded by a singular vision of utopia, up to and including the use of force, mental reprogramming and subversion it is not genocide to annihilate that entity, it is self preservation.

All major nations at the time set aside their differences because of this recognized threat to our continued existence as individuals and nations, you really don't have a case.

Besides, Sansha's Nation is really more of a cult of personality than a formal sovereign entity.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#184 - 2013-03-21 01:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
Knoot Enderas wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
Fixed it.

Seriously Knoot. Pot, Kettle.

it was not that long ago that the threat of that titan was that if any conflict occurred, ALL of the gallente expatriates on the planet would be slaughtered from orbit.

How long do you think the a Caldari population would have sat under the same threat from an Erebus before conflict began.

Now that mercenaries from BOTH sides have turned up to reinforce their combatants, you try to spin it as an invasion?

one word for you.

Couster.


This did not happen, because the State actually evacuated its citizens when it realised that the planet could not be held. Clearly, it was more politically advantageous for the Federation to leave their citizens in harm's way.

This is an invasion of Home, plain and simple.



The level of ignorance you are showing is astounding.
My advice to you is simple... one word simple... Read.
I mean seriously, the only way you cannot know this is if you have done no research on the subject before deciding to weigh in and throw opinions that hold no basis in fact around.
Simply put, there was not time to evacuate, and after the fact any attempt at evacuation would result in the deaths of anyone left in the sealed gallente 'zones'.

secondly, if you read my question, it was not a request for a historical account but a hypothetical situation that I asked for your opinion on.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#185 - 2013-03-21 06:55:37 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
When the stated purpose of an entity is the domination (and subsequent 'unification') of all mankind under a single banner heralded by a singular vision of utopia, up to and including the use of force, mental reprogramming and subversion it is not genocide to annihilate that entity, it is self preservation.

All major nations at the time set aside their differences because of this recognized threat to our continued existence as individuals and nations, you really don't have a case.

Besides, Sansha's Nation is really more of a cult of personality than a formal sovereign entity.


Funny how people tend to forget that before Nation was attacked, it did not attack the Empires. It was a legitimate legal entity in legally obtained territory. Or have your history books been altered too much to let you know the truth of the matter.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#186 - 2013-03-21 07:24:04 UTC
Knoot Enderas wrote:
And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Gallente Mercenaries fighting against Caldari soldiers on Home.

How can anyone still doubt that this is not an "uprising" by the locals, but an outright act of war, funded and quite possibly carried out by Federal intelligence forces.

The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.


If you don't want to be at war with the Federation, perhaps you should consider signing a treaty and withdrawing your Leviathan and its support Fleet from our space. While you're at it you could stop locking up our citizens in underwater prison camps, and various other war crimes.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2013-03-21 07:44:17 UTC
I've learned to ignore Knoot among others some time ago. So should all of you.

Also, its pretty clear the enemy is building underwater prisons because they wish to conduct Nouvelle Rouvenor on a mass scale. Also to name them prisons is dubious, these are death camps plain and simple.

Their cowardice with the Leviathan is not enough.

To revolt and conduct an uprising was the only thing these people had left to do. If you are going to die you may as well take down as many provists down with you as possible.

The crimes and cowardice of the Caldari will change how the Federation deals with the State for the rest of time. The only reason people like the ultra nats have remained out of power was because they had lost moral advantage after the first war. If the Caldari are willing to treat our citizens in such a manner, we'll have carte blanche to treat their citizens the same way.

They will regret this.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#188 - 2013-03-21 08:12:19 UTC
If gallente scum can not leave peacefully on our worlds, they should be rooted out with fire.
Hereby I humble request our troops to show no mercy to these terrorists and murderers.
Do not take prisoners, since they won't be able to live in peace anyway.
If they can't pay respect to rightful owners of the planet, they must pay with their blood.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2013-03-21 08:15:53 UTC
Was wondering when that one would show up.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#190 - 2013-03-21 10:45:23 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Also, its pretty clear the enemy is building underwater prisons because they wish to conduct Nouvelle Rouvenor on a mass scale. Also to name them prisons is dubious, these are death camps plain and simple.

The crimes and cowardice of the Caldari will change how the Federation deals with the State for the rest of time. If the Caldari are willing to treat our citizens in such a manner, we'll have carte blanche to treat their citizens the same way.

They will regret this.


Diana Kim wrote:
If gallente scum can not leave peacefully on our worlds, they should be rooted out with fire.
Hereby I humble request our troops to show no mercy to these terrorists and murderers.
Do not take prisoners, since they won't be able to live in peace anyway.
If they can't pay respect to rightful owners of the planet, they must pay with their blood.


Huh.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#191 - 2013-03-21 10:52:18 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:


Funny how people tend to forget that before Nation was attacked, it did not attack the Empires. It was a legitimate legal entity in legally obtained territory. Or have your history books been altered too much to let you know the truth of the matter.


Funny how Sansha's Nation loyalists tend to forget that Nation had built a large navy under the guise of peace and refused to submit to legal investigation after being challenged for human rights violations by CONCORD involving the use of brainwashing and illegal human experimentation.

Play the victim all you like, history doesn't favor your story. Your leader was called out on his experiments, he refused to submit to investigation and process and sent his massive armada to repel anyone who would attempt to shut him down. Unfortunately for him, all five major empires at the time agreed on the weight of his crime and summarily destroyed his Nation.

Now I've sidetracked the conversation, however.
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#192 - 2013-03-21 16:47:26 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Also, its pretty clear the enemy is building underwater prisons because they wish to conduct Nouvelle Rouvenor on a mass scale. Also to name them prisons is dubious, these are death camps plain and simple.

The crimes and cowardice of the Caldari will change how the Federation deals with the State for the rest of time. If the Caldari are willing to treat our citizens in such a manner, we'll have carte blanche to treat their citizens the same way.

They will regret this.


Diana Kim wrote:
If gallente scum can not leave peacefully on our worlds, they should be rooted out with fire.
Hereby I humble request our troops to show no mercy to these terrorists and murderers.
Do not take prisoners, since they won't be able to live in peace anyway.
If they can't pay respect to rightful owners of the planet, they must pay with their blood.


Huh.


You know if we play our cards right, I bet we could get them to harmonize.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Anslo
Scope Works
#193 - 2013-03-21 16:51:33 UTC
Rhia I wouldn't wish Kim on my worst enemy.

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Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#194 - 2013-03-21 17:04:04 UTC
Seem to be missing a name there.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Anslo
Scope Works
#195 - 2013-03-21 17:29:58 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Seem to be missing a name there.


Yeah well, **** your punctuation marks.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#196 - 2013-03-21 17:34:28 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Seem to be missing a name there.


Yeah well, **** your punctuation marks.


I meant Mekhana, dummy.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Anslo
Scope Works
#197 - 2013-03-21 17:45:56 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Seem to be missing a name there.


Yeah well, **** your punctuation marks.


I meant Mekhana, dummy.


Oh....carry on then.

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