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THINK TANK -- ✓GRAPHICS Revolution! *NEW

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#301 - 2013-03-21 10:29:50 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:

Make the texture to scale too !
The sense of scale of ships is WAAAY OFF!
The geometrical and model details of ships doesn't scale at all!!!

When you put an Algos and a Thanatos side by side , you honestly can't tell which one is bigger .


True true, space thingy should be epic, in EVE bad scalling destroy everything


A dreadnought should be HUGE!!!
But instead , when you park a Battleship next to it , it isn't threatening any more.

The titans are nice , but the resolution are so low when you fly close , its like looking at Mario graphics .
WE KNOW CCP has a high resolution texture pack reserved for their own EPIC trailers , why can't we have the option to use that texture pack??
Why are we forced into mediocre graphics when we already CAN achieve what we need?
Why is CCP tying his own hands behind his back?

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#302 - 2013-03-21 10:33:21 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you're actually comparing the current graphics to the ones from a game released in 2003 (the same year people started playing EVe by the way), then you probably need to pony up & buy new computer hardware. You can't really judge when you have everything set to 'low'.

its on high thx.
Try zooming onto your ship .
You'll see the problem.



That is your problem.. eve is properly played fully zoomed out when you see only tiny yellow red and blue boxes! I do not want to waste even move of my computer when this is an excel game in fact.


so basically you are saying , because ' I don't want to invest on my computer and I am still running on medieval cards , everyone should suffer for the sake of "fairness" .' ?

The legacy and long evolution of this game starting from the 2003 made this game by nature heavily point and click based , as you've said , an "excel game" , but does that justify chopping our own legs off because "thats the way it has been" .
Thats defeatist and an insult to the entire human civilization !

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#303 - 2013-03-21 10:48:25 UTC
Wow you really put a lot of effort into this thread. I have no problems with the current graphics myself.

having just returned after a 3 year absence I am still surprised at how much better things are looking now. But I do applaud your initiative.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#304 - 2013-03-21 10:56:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Wow you really put a lot of effort into this thread. I have no problems with the current graphics myself.

having just returned after a 3 year absence I am still surprised at how much better things are looking now. But I do applaud your initiative.



The power of procrastinating .

The current graphics sure isn't going to wow anyone (no pun intended) , but surely I can't say its bad either.
What I'm saying is , the graphics can be SO MUCH MORE with some minor tweaking.

And as some of those who replied mentioned it , the UI could use some tweaking .... well... overhauling as well, but thats for another time

On a side note .
Ohh no... I wasn't the one who've put effort , this thread is built upon the MANY who have commented , suggested and proposed ideas , fix and leads that might one day help to shape EvE as we know it .
As Obama said "You didn't build that" (Never mind the egoist down thumbing the video. The Chinese have a saying ,"When you drink the water, think of the source" . Thats the motto I live by

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EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#305 - 2013-03-21 11:11:11 UTC
The OP's linked vids looked bad, Eve still has the best graphics around.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#306 - 2013-03-21 11:25:40 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
The OP's linked vids looked bad, Eve still has the best graphics around.


those games are from 2003-2007.
OF COURSE they'll look bad for today's standard .

I tried linking TODAY'S GAME
BEHOLD!

STAR CITIZEN!

but then that game hurt the hardcore player's fragile little heart and I got flamed , thats why I removed it and had to keep on updating the opening post so people COULD GET BACK TO TRACK!

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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#307 - 2013-03-21 11:29:41 UTC
F'ing scrubs need to get off windows XP







DX11 is upon you scrubs, Odin himself commands you to buy a decent rig.

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#308 - 2013-03-21 11:33:34 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Tykari wrote:
The problem with the graphics in an MMO is that often there are other considerations linked to it. Most notably performance when massive numbers are present. Top notch graphics are all well and good but in fleet battles and in trade hub systems where there are 100's of players for most people it would cause a lot of problems. So unless you happen to own a really high end system or spend most of your time alone in a system this really wouldn't do much good in the long run.

That said, CCP is updating the graphics and they're doing it one step at a time. The V3 project is mostly adjusting the way textures work on ships so that better effects can later be applied. And before those effects can happen every single object in the game needs to have those updates, which takes a lot of time considering the huge amount of assets this game has. The new lighting system they want to use is an example of this. As long as not everything has the V3 treatment they're not using it. Once that is done they can focus on dealing with ships whose poly counts are too low and so on. Same with corp logos and decalls. The V3 textures will open up the options of changing colors and so forth and they've already said that is something they do intend to do.

Give them time, they can only do so much at once.


Truth!!!!


Wouldn't all the ;lag be client side? The cry game developers didn't expect 100% of the player base to run the game at full but they still released ahead of the curb. People can always lower their own graphics settings
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#309 - 2013-03-21 11:50:01 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
This year has been a year of progress for EVE.

no **** shrelock!

Ivy Romanova wrote:
We need WAY more community ship model events and much faster pace in updates.

MOAR BUGS! AND LAGS!
\Big smile/
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#310 - 2013-03-21 12:25:44 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
the UI could use some tweaking .... well... overhauling as well



Understatement of the century.

People Aren't playing Eve on triple projector screens covering the whole wall just because they like to see the ships be big. They do it to fit the UI.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#311 - 2013-03-21 12:42:29 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
the UI could use some tweaking .... well... overhauling as well



Understatement of the century.

People Aren't playing Eve on triple projector screens covering the whole wall just because they like to see the ships be big. They do it to fit the UI.


to fit the overview alone i needed to buy an extra 24' LED monitor :O
Keep the name , ship types , corporation , transversal , speed , fleet window, inventory to check my ammo stash , scanner tab , drone tab , local , corp chat , fleet chat , destination ,lock window .
The list goes on and on and on.
Now I haven't worked much on the UI , so I currently don't have a concept art as to what the UI should look like , but what i DO KNOW is making the locking icon from square to spinny square or circle IS NOT on my list of "priority"

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Sync Hronization
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#312 - 2013-03-21 14:19:16 UTC
Yeah the UI is a bit crazy and now that I got into the game more it's more of a Spreadsheet with a min ship in the middle of the screen. Not very nice hehe.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#313 - 2013-03-21 14:23:34 UTC
Sync Hronization wrote:
Yeah the UI is a bit crazy and now that I got into the game more it's more of a Spreadsheet with a min ship in the middle of the screen. Not very nice hehe.


True true , but IF we change that , there will be A LOT OF upset old **** cheese shooting at the monument again because they'll see it as ... well .... this

Any LEAP forward will be seen as bad for those who have accustomed to eating spam for 10 years straight with no eggs

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Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#314 - 2013-03-21 16:00:52 UTC
How would you go about conveying the information we need in a fight other than as a spreadsheet?
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#315 - 2013-03-21 16:16:39 UTC
EVE needs to fix the scaling for the graphics to really shine, currently the scaling is so completely and ****** up, that when you zoom out, eve its a game of space pixels on a literal sense, while games like homeworld make eve look outdated.


put it this way, zoomed out, my homeworld 1 mod of eve online looks better than eve online itself... which dare to say... means something is really ****** up eve wise...
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2013-03-21 16:24:22 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
EVE needs to fix the scaling for the graphics to really shine, currently the scaling is so completely and ****** up, that when you zoom out, eve its a game of space pixels on a literal sense, while games like homeworld make eve look outdated.


put it this way, zoomed out, my homeworld 1 mod of eve online looks better than eve online itself... which dare to say... means something is really ****** up eve wise...

I think it's all about perspective. Nothing in eve really gives you a sense of size. Nothing makes you feel massive, and ships handle like sports cars no matter what.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#317 - 2013-03-21 16:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
the UI could use some tweaking .... well... overhauling as well



Understatement of the century.

People Aren't playing Eve on triple projector screens covering the whole wall just because they like to see the ships be big. They do it to fit the UI.
Fun fact:
The more space, the less space.

This is actually true. People fill up their screens with windows,
realize they need more space on screen,
update,
fill more screen with more windows and
realize that they dont actually have more space left.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#318 - 2013-03-21 16:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Alexa Coates wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
EVE needs to fix the scaling for the graphics to really shine, currently the scaling is so completely and ****** up, that when you zoom out, eve its a game of space pixels on a literal sense, while games like homeworld make eve look outdated.


put it this way, zoomed out, my homeworld 1 mod of eve online looks better than eve online itself... which dare to say... means something is really ****** up eve wise...

I think it's all about perspective. Nothing in eve really gives you a sense of size. Nothing makes you feel massive, and ships handle like sports cars no matter what.


I take it you don't fly Battleships .
Try flying ONLY THOSE for a week , and then come back to cruisers.
Its like going from 56k to OPTICAL FIBER

THERE IS a reference , that is called other ships , but humans have a rather poor sense of perspective , the best way to convey a sense of scale would be with scaling of graphical details

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#319 - 2013-03-21 16:33:34 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
EVE needs to fix the scaling for the graphics to really shine, currently the scaling is so completely and ****** up, that when you zoom out, eve its a game of space pixels on a literal sense, while games like homeworld make eve look outdated.


put it this way, zoomed out, my homeworld 1 mod of eve online looks better than eve online itself... which dare to say... means something is really ****** up eve wise...

I think it's all about perspective. Nothing in eve really gives you a sense of size. Nothing makes you feel massive, and ships handle like sports cars no matter what.


I take it you don't fly Battleships .
Try flying ONLY THOSE for a week , and then come back to cruisers.
Its like going from 56k to OPTICAL FIBER

THERE IS a reference , that is called other ships , but humans have a rather poor sense of perspective , the best way to convey a sense of scale would be with scaling of graphical details



you are right... I don't fly battleships... I fly marauders.

As an additional note Eve Aesthetics are the next highest offender, look at this, it has 1/90 of the graphics of eve online Tech wise, but aesthetically it makes eve look like pong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXF2uHPiZoo
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#320 - 2013-03-21 16:37:48 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
EVE needs to fix the scaling for the graphics to really shine, currently the scaling is so completely and ****** up, that when you zoom out, eve its a game of space pixels on a literal sense, while games like homeworld make eve look outdated.


put it this way, zoomed out, my homeworld 1 mod of eve online looks better than eve online itself... which dare to say... means something is really ****** up eve wise...

I think it's all about perspective. Nothing in eve really gives you a sense of size. Nothing makes you feel massive, and ships handle like sports cars no matter what.


I take it you don't fly Battleships .
Try flying ONLY THOSE for a week , and then come back to cruisers.
Its like going from 56k to OPTICAL FIBER

THERE IS a reference , that is called other ships , but humans have a rather poor sense of perspective , the best way to convey a sense of scale would be with scaling of graphical details



you are right... I don't fly battleships... I fly marauders.

As an additional note Eve Aesthetics are the next highest offender, look at this, it has 1/90 of the graphics of eve online Tech wise, but aesthetically it makes eve look like pong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXF2uHPiZoo



LOL
aesthetics???
You are rustling my jimmies there lol
EVERYONE know how highly "stylized" the ships are .
They are "avant-garde" and very "modern" .
It will take a "degree" , if not a "multitude of degrees" to truly "appreciate" the "styling" of EvE .

But I have to admit the Corax is VERY nicely designed ... IF ITS NOT THE WRONG WAY AROUND!!!!

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