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The long reach of James 315's New Order

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Lin Suizei
#101 - 2013-03-21 09:05:17 UTC
Hazzim wrote:
So in light of you advocacy of increased risk to high-sec dwellers then I advocate an increased risk to high-sec gankers.


Here's the thing though - you don't seem to be advocating increased risk, it's more along the lines of increased cost. Being forced to live in lowsec and nullsec isn't really a "risk", most of us are -10 and quite a number of us are/have lowsec/nullsec mains.

As for the New Order being "butt hurt" over highsec mechanics... well, if you call disagreeing with the current (and frankly ridiculous) status quo "butt hurt", then so be it.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.

Hazzim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-03-21 14:40:53 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:
Hazzim wrote:
So in light of you advocacy of increased risk to high-sec dwellers then I advocate an increased risk to high-sec gankers.


Here's the thing though - you don't seem to be advocating increased risk, it's more along the lines of increased cost. Being forced to live in lowsec and nullsec isn't really a "risk", most of us are -10 and quite a number of us are/have lowsec/nullsec mains.

As for the New Order being "butt hurt" over highsec mechanics... well, if you call disagreeing with the current (and frankly ridiculous) status quo "butt hurt", then so be it.


A risky endeavor is a costly one and vice versa. Why would force anyone to do anything they don't want to? sandbox right? You took the calculated risk to enter lowsec/nullsec based on circumstances that you accepted. Other may see differently. if you are somehow unhappy with the current mechanics, don't drag the rest of us along with you. You inflated sense of professionalism should allow you to adapt to the current situation am I right?
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2013-03-21 15:08:58 UTC
Hazzim wrote:

A risky endeavor is a costly one and vice versa.

Actually, a risky endeavor is one that has a CHANCE of having an outcome and not a guaranteed result.

What you are writing about has nothing to do with increasing risk - it has to do with increasing the guaranteed penalty. That's a fundamental difference.

Carry on.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-03-21 15:38:57 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

James does plenty of combat ship PVP on other characters. Howw else do you think He learned game mechanics so well?

you mean bumping and suicide ganking needs so much knowledge of game mechanics??? Shocked

that's real funny....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Agent Trask
Doomheim
#105 - 2013-03-21 17:22:09 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

James does plenty of combat ship PVP on other characters. Howw else do you think He learned game mechanics so well?

you mean bumping and suicide ganking needs so much knowledge of game mechanics??? Shocked

that's real funny....


Truth.

Bumping and ganking is easy.

Go to the website in my sig, create a ten day ganking wonder, and come find us. We'll have you asploding barges that very day.

Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.

www.minerbumping.com

Agent Trask
Doomheim
#106 - 2013-03-21 17:25:50 UTC
Hazzim wrote:


I had to reply seeing you obviously did not get my point "Big Shot". I am satisfied with the current state of high-sec mechanics. However it seems "New Order" is somehow butt hurt over high-sec mechanics and wants it changed. So in light of you advocacy of increased risk to high-sec dwellers then I advocate an increased risk to high-sec gankers. No changes to one no changes to the other, and everyone is happy. Unless you arent? Then take it somewhere else.


You already got your barge buff.

What else do you want? To have the hand of CCP appear in mid space and squish gankers like bugs?

You will not be satisfied until CCP handles all of your fights for you.

Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.

www.minerbumping.com

Absolon Echerie
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#107 - 2013-03-25 09:27:07 UTC
first guy to awox the crap out of the NO morons would earn a cookie.

yes i mine every now and then, No i do not pay

see me care?
L Salander
All Web Investigations
#108 - 2013-03-25 09:50:16 UTC
Absolon Echerie wrote:
first guy to awox the crap out of the NO morons would earn a cookie.

yes i mine every now and then, No i do not pay

see me care?


Yet another filthy bot-aspirant crying for someone else to do something. Why not man up and do something yourself, buddy?
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#109 - 2013-03-25 11:08:24 UTC
L Salander wrote:
Absolon Echerie wrote:
first guy to awox the crap out of the NO morons would earn a cookie.

yes i mine every now and then, No i do not pay

see me care?


Yet another filthy bot-aspirant crying for someone else to do something. Why not man up and do something yourself, buddy?

And yet again another goon pet code flunkie putting words in miners mouths, and getting meanings out of a statement that wasn't there.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#110 - 2013-03-25 13:56:46 UTC
Absolon Echerie wrote:
first guy to awox the crap out of the NO morons would earn a cookie.

yes i mine every now and then, No i do not pay

see me care?


Good luck to anyone that tries to Awox the New Order, they have nothing that isn't already destined to explode.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#111 - 2013-03-25 16:25:34 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Absolon Echerie wrote:
first guy to awox the crap out of the NO morons would earn a cookie.

yes i mine every now and then, No i do not pay

see me care?


Good luck to anyone that tries to Awox the New Order, they have nothing that isn't already destined to explode.


True... But the goal would not be to simply awox them. The true fun would be in awoxing in such a manner that ruins their fun, generates tears, and yet prevents the destruction and bumping of miners. For example, awoxing them as they gank a miner is pointless. Getting a scout role and warping the fleet to a smartbombing battleship before they can gank a miner, catching the,pods too and sending them back to their clone bays would be far more fun.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#112 - 2013-03-25 20:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Absolon Echerie wrote:
first guy to awox the crap out of the NO morons would earn a cookie.

yes i mine every now and then, No i do not pay

see me care?


Good luck to anyone that tries to Awox the New Order, they have nothing that isn't already destined to explode.


True... But the goal would not be to simply awox them. The true fun would be in awoxing in such a manner that ruins their fun, generates tears, and yet prevents the destruction and bumping of miners. For example, awoxing them as they gank a miner is pointless. Getting a scout role and warping the fleet to a smartbombing battleship before they can gank a miner, catching the,pods too and sending them back to their clone bays would be far more fun.


I think you somewhat underestimate the New Order, scouts only provide the warpin, they don't do the fleet warp, that's down to the FC. If a scout provides the warpin to a smartbombing BS a few catalysts will die and the affected pilots get kill rights on the BS pilot, and they will use them. The scout gets burnt into the bargain, they'll hunt him down as well as the BS pilot. Most of the guys are experienced PvP pilots using alts, they know what they're doing.
Podding them won't cause any tears either, they expect to be podded eventually, it's why their clones are generally only packing cheap combat implants and their medical clones are generally close to their area of operations. You might slow them down for about 5 minutes, but that's about it.
Nobody has succeeded in stopping a gank yet, if anyone wants to give it a go, they should expect to fail, everybody else has.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#113 - 2013-03-25 22:14:24 UTC
This thread... /DELETE
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#114 - 2013-03-25 22:20:13 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


I think you somewhat underestimate the New Order, scouts only provide the warpin, they don't do the fleet warp, that's down to the FC. If a scout provides the warpin to a smartbombing BS a few catalysts will die and the affected pilots get kill rights on the BS pilot, and they will use them. The scout gets burnt into the bargain, they'll hunt him down as well as the BS pilot. Most of the guys are experienced PvP pilots using alts, they know what they're doing.
Podding them won't cause any tears either, they expect to be podded eventually, it's why their clones are generally only packing cheap combat implants and their medical clones are generally close to their area of operations. You might slow them down for about 5 minutes, but that's about it.
Nobody has succeeded in stopping a gank yet, if anyone wants to give it a go, they should expect to fail, everybody else has.


You would be surprised how many ganks are disrupted when miners play EVE rather than a mining version of Progressquest.

I remember one ship that was failed to gank 3 times in a row because the miner piloting it packed ECM and - shock horror - took their safety into their OWN hands rather than trying to get CCP to buff CONCORD instead.

A fleet mining op with an Exequeror (yes, a t1 logi boat) providing logi support is near impossible to gank too, but again that involves playing EVE not botting or multiboxing or AFKing.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#115 - 2013-03-25 22:49:30 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


I think you somewhat underestimate the New Order, scouts only provide the warpin, they don't do the fleet warp, that's down to the FC. If a scout provides the warpin to a smartbombing BS a few catalysts will die and the affected pilots get kill rights on the BS pilot, and they will use them. The scout gets burnt into the bargain, they'll hunt him down as well as the BS pilot. Most of the guys are experienced PvP pilots using alts, they know what they're doing.
Podding them won't cause any tears either, they expect to be podded eventually, it's why their clones are generally only packing cheap combat implants and their medical clones are generally close to their area of operations. You might slow them down for about 5 minutes, but that's about it.
Nobody has succeeded in stopping a gank yet, if anyone wants to give it a go, they should expect to fail, everybody else has.


You would be surprised how many ganks are disrupted when miners play EVE rather than a mining version of Progressquest.

I remember one ship that was failed to gank 3 times in a row because the miner piloting it packed ECM and - shock horror - took their safety into their OWN hands rather than trying to get CCP to buff CONCORD instead.

A fleet mining op with an Exequeror (yes, a t1 logi boat) providing logi support is near impossible to gank too, but again that involves playing EVE not botting or multiboxing or AFKing.


That's a rare situation, 90% of the buggers are afk or alt tabbed.
I've only ganked about 12 with the New Order, only one failed and that was because the Orca with him decided to RR him through the gank, this was just after retribution hit, the Orca went suspect for doing so, so the New Order ganked it instead, that little bug has since been patched out Sad

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Tesal
#116 - 2013-03-26 04:14:21 UTC
So let me get this straight. A miner moves to Syndicate, the armpit of EvE, where its almost impossible to mine because of constantly roaming gangs, and you follow him to blow up his mining ship. It seems he is doing what you want and is experiencing a new side of the game and is moving away from mining. You are going against your own code. There are no bot aspirants in Syndicate. You have to pvp to survive for long in Syndicate. When you awox him, he probably won't even be in a mining ship. You will accomplish nothing but burning an alt. People living a while in Syndicate rapidly get used to losing their ships. The tears you expect will probably have the opposite result, with in more epic trolling and a swift kick from the corp. Awoxing in Syndicate and expecting tears seems like something a moron would expect. Its not Hi-sec where people are shocked by being ganked.

Also, you guys are crossing into griefing territory. Constantly following one player and harassing him is against the rules. You are going beyond bumping and suicide ganking He can probably petition you and get you a 30 day ban. Nice job giving the trash talking miner everything he needs to shut you down.

Also, I really like this guy you want to kill. He pissed you off so much you have dedicated yourself to following him all the way into one of the most lawless regions of EvE to kill him. Getting that kind of hate in EvE is hard to do. I have tried and tried and nobody hates me enough to try to assassinate me. I consider being stalked by you to be a badge of honor, he has made a real accomplishment. I wish I knew this miners name. I would give him a billion isk just for making you lose your cool. I wish I had the chat logs of his trolling, its probably pretty funny. He obviously successfully got under your skin. He must be a really good troll. I can feel the warm glow of your hatred and it delights me.

You have made a really stupid thread, where you are actually indirectly giving props to the person you don't like and are proving him to be the better man. My advice is to stay in Hi-sec where you pathetic excuse for a pvper belong. Your role playing religion is nothing but a pathetic excuse for being a douche.
Lin Suizei
#117 - 2013-03-26 06:25:28 UTC
Tesal wrote:
My advice is to stay in Hi-sec where you pathetic excuse for a pvper belong.


confirming k/d ratio is of utmost importance, and we are all pathetic excuses for pvpers.

(at least miners undock lol)

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.

Tesal
#118 - 2013-03-26 15:13:01 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:
Tesal wrote:
My advice is to stay in Hi-sec where you pathetic excuse for a pvper belong.


confirming k/d ratio is of utmost importance, and we are all pathetic excuses for pvpers.

(at least miners undock lol)


Brilliant post. You are so ******* cool.Roll
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#119 - 2013-03-26 20:05:37 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Absolon Echerie wrote:
first guy to awox the crap out of the NO morons would earn a cookie.

yes i mine every now and then, No i do not pay

see me care?


Good luck to anyone that tries to Awox the New Order, they have nothing that isn't already destined to explode.


True... But the goal would not be to simply awox them. The true fun would be in awoxing in such a manner that ruins their fun, generates tears, and yet prevents the destruction and bumping of miners. For example, awoxing them as they gank a miner is pointless. Getting a scout role and warping the fleet to a smartbombing battleship before they can gank a miner, catching the,pods too and sending them back to their clone bays would be far more fun.


I think you somewhat underestimate the New Order, scouts only provide the warpin, they don't do the fleet warp, that's down to the FC. If a scout provides the warpin to a smartbombing BS a few catalysts will die and the affected pilots get kill rights on the BS pilot, and they will use them. The scout gets burnt into the bargain, they'll hunt him down as well as the BS pilot. Most of the guys are experienced PvP pilots using alts, they know what they're doing.
Podding them won't cause any tears either, they expect to be podded eventually, it's why their clones are generally only packing cheap combat implants and their medical clones are generally close to their area of operations. You might slow them down for about 5 minutes, but that's about it.
Nobody has succeeded in stopping a gank yet, if anyone wants to give it a go, they should expect to fail, everybody else has.


I'm an alt that joins the new order as scout. I say I found botters... Warp to me... You warp, I'm in a safe spot in a smartbombing bs. I awox the fleet. What kill rights? You kick me, vow to hunt me down, the alt becomes an NPC forum alt. 2 weks later, rinse, lather repeat. Are you saying everytime you watch fleet comp and have this mastered? Maybe so, but trying this might be fun too.

As for the original post... What I don't get... You chase a guy to nul, he blue balls you for 2 hours that you could be ganking others, bumping, spreading your message, having fun, and yet the OP seems to view this as an accomplishment... How so? 2 hours plus travel time wasted while your target went out for lunch or watched a movie.

What real wonder at....what happens when ccp over reacts, create an anchoring module that increases mining amount, tank, and makes a barge unbumpable because they could come up with no other solution? Or worse... Ccp eliminates bumping. It just seems odd that the new order views ccp as having a game issue, but thinks the solution, if one comes, will work in their favor. Ask goons how ccp's solution to permanent hulkagedon worked out for everyone. Mining ships got a buff and well... It seems to me only the gankers are the ones who aren't happy now.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2013-03-29 09:30:56 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
What real wonder at....what happens when ccp over reacts, create an anchoring module that increases mining amount, tank, and makes a barge unbumpable because they could come up with no other solution? Or worse... Ccp eliminates bumping. It just seems odd that the new order views ccp as having a game issue, but thinks the solution, if one comes, will work in their favor. Ask goons how ccp's solution to permanent hulkagedon worked out for everyone. Mining ships got a buff and well... It seems to me only the gankers are the ones who aren't happy now.


Folks love pushing the limits, and when it gets too far (starts hurting what really matters [CCP's pocketbook]) there will be a mechanics "correction".

That'll be the best tears known.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell