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CSM elections: I think Mittens had it right in these 2 paragraphs...

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Apricot Baby
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#81 - 2013-03-21 11:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Apricot Baby
Malcanis wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?


i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that...


Now you do.


Read the article.

Mittens for CSM8.


Blink


Good read, thanks for the link.

As a past independent candidate who ran campaigns based on mostly non-playstyle specific agendas I do not agree, but can understand why some candidates end up pigeon holing themselves - marketing and saving time. When you don't have an organisation or player group supporting you, and you aren't e-famous the majority of your votes are going to come from people who you don't know or don't know well. Obviously it's a lot easier to garner support from these players if they can easily identify with you and I'd hazard a guess that the majority of voters who haven't already decided their vote placement will be looking out for specific keywords matching their play styles on the voting page or in the forums and not paying too much attention otherwise.

A little confused as to the "improvement" to the voting system, but how do you better "represent" the playerbase without punishing those that make the effort to get organised in the first place?

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Spurty
#82 - 2013-03-21 11:41:58 UTC
My thinking:

Mittens wants to ruin the game:
- why would someone that puts in an epic amount of energy in a game want it destroyed again? They don't. Their intentions are to make it better (even if that means making it worse for the average player).

Voting changes:
- STV solves what issue again? Seems more like
It intensifies the original issue by orders of magnitude if this declaration is correct. Isn't their a better way?

CSM is useless / doesn't represent me:
- CSM might be toothless but at least they do exist and do pass messages from the collective back. Keep them!

How much advertising has CCP done on the new voting system? I only follow FBI feeds and news at login. But I do follow those two closely when possible

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#83 - 2013-03-21 12:39:18 UTC
Spurty wrote:
My thinking:

Mittens wants to ruin the game:
- why would someone that puts in an epic amount of energy in a game want it destroyed again? They don't. Their intentions are to make it better (even if that means making it worse for the average player).

Voting changes:
- STV solves what issue again? Seems more like
It intensifies the original issue by orders of magnitude if this declaration is correct. Isn't their a better way?

CSM is useless / doesn't represent me:
- CSM might be toothless but at least they do exist and do pass messages from the collective back. Keep them!

How much advertising has CCP done on the new voting system? I only follow FBI feeds and news at login. But I do follow those two closely when possible


I've seen that reasoning before and it doesn't make sense. Change better to different and I agree:

their intentions are to make it different (even if that means making it worse for the average player).


No doubt there are plenty running for the CSM who are willing to support ideas which only help their part of EVE while crapping on everyone else. They will carry a banner calling it 'a change to make EVE better'... yeah, and the world is flat!!
Dave Stark
#84 - 2013-03-21 12:40:37 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
surely it would be more logical for people to vote for candidates who simply understand game mechanics and have some idea of what balance is, rather than trying to push a CSM full of people who will just bias one section of eve over another?


Now you are just being reasonable. Stop that.


sorry :(
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#85 - 2013-03-21 12:51:08 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol.

can i haz so good "something" to smoke? Shocked


You can smoke what I'm smoking easily. Just go outside, gather up some REALITY, roll it up in a fattie and smoke it. Problem solved.

Most high sec folks (the real ones, not my alts , of which their are many) are solo, casual and mostly PVE players. They don't usually give a flying fornication about anything except themselves and what they are doing.

"hi-sec" can't even organize enough to swat a fly (relatively speaking) like James 315. To busy crunching rocks, saving that dumb assed damsel for the 50,000th time or undercutting that other guy selling hardeners on the market by 0.01 isk......
Whitehound
#86 - 2013-03-21 12:55:37 UTC
All this democracy stuff is nonsense. We need a king!

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-03-21 13:13:06 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
All this democracy stuff is nonsense. We need a king!


when i'm king you'll be first against the wall

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Whitehound
#88 - 2013-03-21 13:18:51 UTC
dexington wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
All this democracy stuff is nonsense. We need a king!


when i'm king you'll be first against the wall

So you would be king for a day. Then what?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-03-21 14:01:54 UTC
Just ABOLISH the CSM.

Not really a solution that many people want, but it's the only solution that treats everyone equally -- which is where a sizeable amount of the bitching is rooted, in the "issue" of Equality.

Personally, I enjoy the scandal and the dramarama -- but all good things must come to an end. Cool

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#90 - 2013-03-21 14:17:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol.

can i haz so good "something" to smoke? Shocked


You can smoke what I'm smoking easily. Just go outside, gather up some REALITY, roll it up in a fattie and smoke it. Problem solved.

Most high sec folks (the real ones, not my alts , of which their are many) are solo, casual and mostly PVE players. They don't usually give a flying fornication about anything except themselves and what they are doing.

"hi-sec" can't even organize enough to swat a fly (relatively speaking) like James 315. To busy crunching rocks, saving that dumb assed damsel for the 50,000th time or undercutting that other guy selling hardeners on the market by 0.01 isk......


That is not just high sec players...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#91 - 2013-03-21 14:49:12 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Just ABOLISH the CSM.

Not really a solution that many people want, but it's the only solution that treats everyone equally -- which is where a sizeable amount of the bitching is rooted, in the "issue" of Equality.

Personally, I enjoy the scandal and the dramarama -- but all good things must come to an end. Cool


Ah, the old "If I'm not allowed to win, then no one should be allowed to play" argument.

As deserving of respect now as it was when I first heard it at the age of 2 at nursery school.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#92 - 2013-03-21 15:28:56 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Just ABOLISH the CSM.

Not really a solution that many people want, but it's the only solution that treats everyone equally -- which is where a sizeable amount of the bitching is rooted, in the "issue" of Equality.

Personally, I enjoy the scandal and the dramarama -- but all good things must come to an end. Cool

Well, all that, and the fact taht the CSM is pretty close to unique in the gaming industry. We get some (limilted, of course - and rightly so) input at the core of the company that holds our subscriptions.

Not many folks get even that level of access. So - People whinge and want to toss it away because it isn't their idea of perfect. Too bad. No one gets 'perfect' - ever. Take what we've got, and work to make it better.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#93 - 2013-03-21 15:38:48 UTC
Onomerous wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol.

can i haz so good "something" to smoke? Shocked


You can smoke what I'm smoking easily. Just go outside, gather up some REALITY, roll it up in a fattie and smoke it. Problem solved.

Most high sec folks (the real ones, not my alts , of which their are many) are solo, casual and mostly PVE players. They don't usually give a flying fornication about anything except themselves and what they are doing.

"hi-sec" can't even organize enough to swat a fly (relatively speaking) like James 315. To busy crunching rocks, saving that dumb assed damsel for the 50,000th time or undercutting that other guy selling hardeners on the market by 0.01 isk......


That is not just high sec players...


No it isn't, vast swaths of humanity think that way.....it just that most of them that both play EVE and post on it's forums live in high sec space Big smile .
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#94 - 2013-03-21 16:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.


i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM.


So, if I vote for him, despite better knowledge, I could sleep well with the knowledge that I helped make a person happy?

James never submitted his application, so therefore you can save your laughter.

tl;dr? James isn't running.


/tinfoil hat

Well the word on the street is that mittens ALT James315 isn't in the running... not sure what lame ass excuse he's made up but I doubt he ever intended to go through with it. The run up to the candidacy deadline was fun to watch as peeps screamed about James315's being on the CSM would make them quit.... well played mittens, well played Blink

/tinfoil hat
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Josef Djugashvilis
#95 - 2013-03-21 16:55:50 UTC
The only thing worse than having the CSM, would be not having the CSM.

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James Stag
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-03-21 17:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: James Stag
Sometimes i like to walk along the beach at night and take the sea air.

Theres really some very beautifull places dotted around the British countryside. Just gotta adventure beyond the urban sprawl.

Sometimes i take the dogs as they need to get excersise just like we do. Obesity in pets is a worrying problem amongst the richer nations of the world.

You should take a walk along your local strech of beach or through your local forest.

I hope you enjoy your time with nature as much i me.

Ohh and Vote for anyone but goonswarm for CSM.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#97 - 2013-03-21 17:41:43 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm not sure what people expect the CSM to "get done".

Their function is to act as a sounding board for CCP, to provide constructive feed back and lend a focus and face to the opinions of the community.

They aren't there to dictate policy to CCP.


That is a very good summary of what the CSM does.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#98 - 2013-03-21 17:50:12 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm not sure what people expect the CSM to "get done".

Their function is to act as a sounding board for CCP, to provide constructive feed back and lend a focus and face to the opinions of the community.

They aren't there to dictate policy to CCP.


That is a very good summary of what the CSM does.


You forgot to add CSM's function as a scapgoat & an fire extinguisher when higher up DEV's & CCP exec's screw up Blink
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#99 - 2013-03-21 18:12:38 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm not sure what people expect the CSM to "get done".

Their function is to act as a sounding board for CCP, to provide constructive feed back and lend a focus and face to the opinions of the community.

They aren't there to dictate policy to CCP.


That is a very good summary of what the CSM does.


You forgot to add CSM's function as a scapgoat & an fire extinguisher when higher up DEV's & CCP exec's screw up Blink

That's more of an ad hoc function than a formal one.
Blink

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Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#100 - 2013-03-21 22:10:17 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


Does anyone really care anymore? Except for the Mittens contingent of course.

CSM is a joke, a way for CCP to claim they are involving the player base, while paying off a few players who they think help drive the game.
What has come from the CSM that is actually in the game? Other than fluff of course.

And if null is so highly represented why has 0.0 been broken for years, and nothing done about it? Shocked




Define broken. Same power blocks//groups of players holding null and churning out isk and supers with moons? Working as intended nothing broken.