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Closing wormhole
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Omegon Aleutinus
Ascon Research
#1 - 2013-03-20 08:44:54 UTC
I know people use Orcas to close wormholes. But if for example the wormhole was critical and the ship would be on the other side will it make it back if there is less mass available than the ship?
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-20 08:53:57 UTC
Yes it will make it back. The wormhole will collaps once the jump is completed.
Omegon Aleutinus
Ascon Research
#3 - 2013-03-20 08:58:21 UTC
Wonderful.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-20 09:36:19 UTC
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Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-20 11:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rex Aparte
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
Yes it will make it back. The wormhole will collaps once the jump is completed.



This is the truth. Now that you know the secret, you can take off the probe launcher and cloak and fit something else in case you get jumped while closing. Maybe a heavy neut instead?
Omegon Aleutinus
Ascon Research
#6 - 2013-03-20 13:16:59 UTC
:D How about also writing in local: "Here I am gank me I have no cloak!"
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-20 14:17:29 UTC
Rex Aparte wrote:
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
Yes it will make it back. The wormhole will collaps once the jump is completed.



This is the truth. Now that you know the secret, you can take off the probe launcher and cloak and fit something else in case you get jumped while closing. Maybe a heavy neut instead?



Yes, noone should ever need fit a probe launcher to the ships used for rolling holes. Mass is never variable...no worries.

Don't ban me, bro!
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#8 - 2013-03-20 14:44:59 UTC
do people not use double-bubble Hictors for this anymore? Also can you make this happen faster by putting a mwd on the orca?

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Omegon Aleutinus
Ascon Research
#9 - 2013-03-20 14:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Omegon Aleutinus
Kodama Ikari wrote:
do people not use double-bubble Hictors for this anymore? Also can you make this happen faster by putting a mwd on the orca?

I think that since the mwd affects the mass, it can speed up the collapsing. But the Heavy Interdictors are a no-no because their mass.(Though these might work for fine tuning)
IgnasS
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-20 15:01:14 UTC
Omegon Aleutinus wrote:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
do people not use double-bubble Hictors for this anymore? Also can you make this happen faster by putting a mwd on the orca?

I think that since the mwd affects the mass, it can speed up the collapsing. But the Heavy Interdictors are a no-no because their mass.(Though these might work for fine tuning)


if your static/other wh is in a VOC state use a HIC with 2xbubbles and a 100mn AB fitted, warp to your static/other wh, turn on both of the bubbles (reduces your mass significantly) jump, turn on 100mn AB and jump back to close the wh.
Mattalious
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-03-20 15:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mattalious
Kodama Ikari wrote:
do people not use double-bubble Hictors for this anymore? Also can you make this happen faster by putting a mwd on the orca?



Mwd on Orcas is the way to go when closing a C4. You jump those babies back and forth till the hole goes half, and then leave it on the static side. Then you use s 100 MN MWD cruiser to get it down to critical, jump the cruiser back through without it's MWD, and then jump the Orca through with the MWD on. 99.9% of the time the hole will then fold behind the Orca.

P.s, and for god's sake use a cloak on the orca.

P.p.s Don't be as stupid as the German corp who jumped two orcas through at a time. We got an easy kill that day when the hole folded, leaving an Orca on the wrong side.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-20 15:36:52 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
do people not use double-bubble Hictors for this anymore? Also can you make this happen faster by putting a mwd on the orca?


Of course they do. But, the Orca is just as useful to quickly shave 600 - 1.2mil kg off the mass as well.

Don't ban me, bro!
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#13 - 2013-03-20 15:47:24 UTC
You can do it with an AB instead of MWD, incidentally. A little less painful to fit. ABs and MWDs of the same size all give the same mass penalty when active.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-20 17:03:21 UTC
Mattalious wrote:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
do people not use double-bubble Hictors for this anymore? Also can you make this happen faster by putting a mwd on the orca?



Mwd on Orcas is the way to go when closing a C4. You jump those babies back and forth till the hole goes half, and then leave it on the static side. Then you use s 100 MN MWD cruiser to get it down to critical, jump the cruiser back through without it's MWD, and then jump the Orca through with the MWD on. 99.9% of the time the hole will then fold behind the Orca.

P.s, and for god's sake use a cloak on the orca.

P.p.s Don't be as stupid as the German corp who jumped two orcas through at a time. We got an easy kill that day when the hole folded, leaving an Orca on the wrong side.



To each his own I guess. When we are rolling I prefer to get the orca's out of harms way as quickly as possible. So we have 3 orca pilots and plenty of HIC pilots.

3 Orca's bam bam bam, hole is crit or near crit. 3-4 HIC's and popped. This gets the orca's done and docked quickly, and those pilots back in PVP ships just in case.
Netzach Shahul
Straitjacket Union
#15 - 2013-03-20 17:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Netzach Shahul
One more or less safe way to close a C4 connection with 2 billion mass is to go:

Orca 100MN both ways, 600
Battleship 100MN both ways, 300
Battleship no AB/MWD 200
Battleship 100MN Both ways, 300
Orca 100 MN both ways. 600

This works 9 times out of 10.
If needed in the end us a multibubbled HIC for the final closing.

IF there's been a few BC/cruiser jumps then you're more than safe to go with this for a clean closure.
Tho keep your eyes on that 50% mark, else you can be thrown off to the wrong side.

Always keep adding or subtracting your jumpmass to/from the wormholes total allowed mass.
Mattalious
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-03-20 17:38:31 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Mattalious wrote:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
do people not use double-bubble Hictors for this anymore? Also can you make this happen faster by putting a mwd on the orca?



Mwd on Orcas is the way to go when closing a C4. You jump those babies back and forth till the hole goes half, and then leave it on the static side. Then you use s 100 MN MWD cruiser to get it down to critical, jump the cruiser back through without it's MWD, and then jump the Orca through with the MWD on. 99.9% of the time the hole will then fold behind the Orca.

P.s, and for god's sake use a cloak on the orca.

P.p.s Don't be as stupid as the German corp who jumped two orcas through at a time. We got an easy kill that day when the hole folded, leaving an Orca on the wrong side.



To each his own I guess. When we are rolling I prefer to get the orca's out of harms way as quickly as possible. So we have 3 orca pilots and plenty of HIC pilots.

3 Orca's bam bam bam, hole is crit or near crit. 3-4 HIC's and popped. This gets the orca's done and docked quickly, and those pilots back in PVP ships just in case.



Well, we play on the timing it takes to scan down holes. If we know a hole is fresh then if we see probes on D-scan we get the Orca Posed up. There's a chance of being jumped, but that's where care and paranoia are your friends.
Kryxal
Wing Born Echos
#17 - 2013-03-20 19:21:01 UTC
jonnykefka wrote:
You can do it with an AB instead of MWD, incidentally. A little less painful to fit. ABs and MWDs of the same size all give the same mass penalty when active.


If it's for hole-killing alone, the 100MN AB is a good option, but on an Orca, that 100MN MWD can get you into warp in 10 seconds without anybody needing to web you. You need a PG rig or something, but I think it's worth it.
Ramone Fera
Vodka Shots Inc.
#18 - 2013-03-20 21:27:47 UTC
Kryxal wrote:
jonnykefka wrote:
You can do it with an AB instead of MWD, incidentally. A little less painful to fit. ABs and MWDs of the same size all give the same mass penalty when active.


If it's for hole-killing alone, the 100MN AB is a good option, but on an Orca, that 100MN MWD can get you into warp in 10 seconds without anybody needing to web you. You need a PG rig or something, but I think it's worth it.


Well.. You need 3xPG rigs.. Not worth it, I usually have a frig that webs me on the home side. So much better.
Tsukihi Phoenix
Shadow Legion Y
Seriously Suspicious
#19 - 2013-03-21 14:14:48 UTC
Rex Aparte wrote:
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
Yes it will make it back. The wormhole will collaps once the jump is completed.



This is the truth. Now that you know the secret, you can take off the probe launcher and cloak and fit something else in case you get jumped while closing. Maybe a heavy neut instead?



Confirming that this is the way.

Also confirming that rex has managed to get himself locked out of our hole.

...twice.

...in one week.