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Suggesting James 315 as the Highsec representative for CSM 8

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#221 - 2013-03-20 12:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
The balance between risk/reward with high, low, null and wh definitely needs fixing. I say that just in the sense that the current balance is just stupid from a design point of view, rather than saying it in the hopes of luring more people out of highsec into those other areas because I don't think even the most extreme nerfs to highsec and buffs to the other areas would make a huge difference to amount of players in highsec - I'm sure it'd attract a decent number people to these areas, and curb the alts-in-highsec-for-isk thing, but overall I wouldn't expect it to be a big difference, many people live in highsec because they're completely risk averse, and for a lot of them no amount of reward would tempt them into risky situations.
Bantara
Dolmite Cornerstone
#222 - 2013-03-20 16:33:42 UTC
Wescro2 wrote:
The excessive safety enjoyed by the high sec resident must come at the cost of lower income.

I asked this once on minerbumping and got no response that I'm aware of, but I'll ask again:
Can you point out to me where in James 315's "platform" he supports your statement here? James does not seem to be for reducing hi-sec reward alone, but reducing hi-sec reward and increasing risk.
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#223 - 2013-03-20 17:12:55 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
And to say "j315" will do x, y, z is not supported by any statements by him

Apart from all the ones on his blog.
Ah, but then again you can't be bothered to read that, so therefore, anything you can't be bothered to read doesn't exist?
At least now we can see where your narrow viewpoint comes from.
Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#224 - 2013-03-20 19:15:32 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The balance between risk/reward with high, low, null and wh definitely needs fixing.


Is risk and reward equal across all of high sec or all of low sec or all of null?

Are risk and reward actually related?

What would be a more appropriate name for high security space if it wasn't highly secure?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#225 - 2013-03-21 00:17:02 UTC
Primary Me wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
And to say "j315" will do x, y, z is not supported by any statements by him

Apart from all the ones on his blog.
Ah, but then again you can't be bothered to read that, so therefore, anything you can't be bothered to read doesn't exist?
At least now we can see where your narrow viewpoint comes from.

Gee, if only there was some place where we could go to see the platforms of all the candidates.....

Roll

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Keisha Mei Ash
Doomheim
#226 - 2013-03-21 00:17:50 UTC
Aaaand James has dropped out of the CSM race.

An awful lot of hot air on the blog that basically translates to he doesn't want to risk a non-Icelandic seat that came with an NDA.

He'd rather sit on Minerbumping and ***** about how CCP is killing his PVP sandbox. Lol.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#227 - 2013-03-21 00:46:04 UTC
Keisha Mei Ash wrote:
Aaaand James has dropped out of the CSM race.

Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Wescro2
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2013-03-21 01:08:03 UTC
Keisha Mei Ash wrote:
He'd rather sit on Minerbumping and ***** about how CCP is killing his PVP sandbox. Lol.


Because engaging the community in a daily updated blog is a bad thing. Roll

Great leaders don't necessarily have to get in office to do good, though they would no doubt make good representatives. Think Martin Luther King jr.
dark heartt
#229 - 2013-03-21 01:34:36 UTC
Wescro2 wrote:
Keisha Mei Ash wrote:
He'd rather sit on Minerbumping and ***** about how CCP is killing his PVP sandbox. Lol.


Because engaging the community in a daily updated blog is a bad thing. Roll

Great leaders don't necessarily have to get in office to do good, though they would no doubt make good representatives. Think Martin Luther King jr.


However he's just going to be ignored by everyone again now. So that point is invalid.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#230 - 2013-03-21 01:34:57 UTC
Wescro2 wrote:


Because engaging the community in a daily updated blog is a bad thing. Roll

Great leaders don't necessarily have to get in office to do good, though they would no doubt make good representatives. Think Martin Luther King jr.

Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Frying Doom
#231 - 2013-03-21 02:12:32 UTC
While I can't stand his idea and think this lot act like a bunch of cowards.

I must salute someone dropping out of the CSM race in protest to the fact that all CSMs will now follow in the foot steps of CSM7. They were brown nosers and they have allowed and agreed with a change that will mean CCP can reward the CSM members who brown nose the most.

So maybe we should not use numbers but shades of brown to describe the CSMs now, instead of CSM7 we have CSM walnut brown.

o7

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#232 - 2013-03-21 07:55:16 UTC
It's not like it was a secret that CSMs have to agree to sign an NDA; indeed, it's pretty much the whole point of the CSM that they work with NDA material.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#233 - 2013-03-21 08:55:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
It's not like it was a secret that CSMs have to agree to sign an NDA; indeed, it's pretty much the whole point of the CSM that they work with NDA material.

James' point was that CCP now gets to decide who is allowed to attend their meetings, so there's a good chance that he'll get NDA'd and still not be able to meaningfully contribute to the CSM.

Not that I approve, but that's his reasoning.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#234 - 2013-03-21 09:37:01 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It's not like it was a secret that CSMs have to agree to sign an NDA; indeed, it's pretty much the whole point of the CSM that they work with NDA material.

James' point was that CCP now gets to decide who is allowed to attend their meetings, so there's a good chance that he'll get NDA'd and still not be able to meaningfully contribute to the CSM.

Not that I approve, but that's his reasoning.


The members of CSM 7 made it pretty clear that all the CSM can attend meetings via video conferencing or at least voice. I agree that it's preferrable to be there in person, but that's hardly being "excluded".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Apricot Baby
caldariprimeponyclub
#235 - 2013-03-21 10:23:43 UTC
Regardless of the reasons why someone drops out, the general population will only see someone dropping out.
Why not keep running and try to get in and then get them to fix the problem?

the irony of this statement coming from me is somewhat bittersweet :|



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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#236 - 2013-03-21 10:24:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The members of CSM 7 made it pretty clear that all the CSM can attend meetings via video conferencing or at least voice. I agree that it's preferrable to be there in person, but that's hardly being "excluded".


Before, when the 7 attending members were the top 7 voters, you'd be 100% right. Now, when CCP is essentially directly choosing 5 of the 7 seats themselves, I think asking yourself whether or not they'd value your opinion at all - if they truly did, why wouldn't they have picked you?

There's no solid answer to that, of course, but it's a very valid question to ask, particularly when it's in relation to signing a year of your time away for unpaid work.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#237 - 2013-03-21 11:25:57 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
The members of CSM 7 made it pretty clear that all the CSM can attend meetings via video conferencing or at least voice. I agree that it's preferrable to be there in person, but that's hardly being "excluded".


Before, when the 7 attending members were the top 7 voters, you'd be 100% right. Now, when CCP is essentially directly choosing 5 of the 7 seats themselves, I think asking yourself whether or not they'd value your opinion at all - if they truly did, why wouldn't they have picked you?

There's no solid answer to that, of course, but it's a very valid question to ask, particularly when it's in relation to signing a year of your time away for unpaid work.


Bottom line though, is that he quit because he was afraid he wouldn't win.

Very disappointing.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#238 - 2013-03-21 11:27:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Bottom line though, is that he quit because he was afraid he wouldn't win.
Very disappointing.


You see "afraid", I see "not worth the downsides if he can't get Top 2". Potato-Potatoe I guess.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Prince Kobol
#239 - 2013-03-21 13:21:22 UTC
I'm going for the tinfoil option which is he knew that if he got elected then his real name would be published and we would all find out that he is really (insert name here) alt Big smile
Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#240 - 2013-03-21 14:49:48 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
The members of CSM 7 made it pretty clear that all the CSM can attend meetings via video conferencing or at least voice. I agree that it's preferrable to be there in person, but that's hardly being "excluded".


Before, when the 7 attending members were the top 7 voters, you'd be 100% right. Now, when CCP is essentially directly choosing 5 of the 7 seats themselves, I think asking yourself whether or not they'd value your opinion at all - if they truly did, why wouldn't they have picked you?

There's no solid answer to that, of course, but it's a very valid question to ask, particularly when it's in relation to signing a year of your time away for unpaid work.



If I remember my maths then in a 14 person team there are 91 lines of communication, if it’s just 7 then they internally only have 21 lines of communication, the smaller group can be much more effective. Making the team ever smaller improves this further but there is a point where you cannot maintain quality and reduce size. At that point if I wanted to make that group even more effective then I would change its makeup, make it more focussed.

If the intention were to focus on new players over the next year then it won’t help CCP to talk to seven people who have played for ten years. If the intention is to develop wormhole space then it's not going to be useful for them to talk to seven Hi-sec care bears. That is not to say that in any case wild card opinions should be entirely excluded but there is little point in having a focus group that is irrelevant. It should never be the case that the CSM is useless to CCP, it is not meant to be a one sided relationship.
CCP will always decide what is possible and what is reasonable, CCP cannot tell us what they are thinking or share the information that drives their decisions - such things are commercially sensitive. We therefore cannot make entirely informed decisions when voting; it makes sense in this case that CCP makes the best of what we offer them. Ultimately the CSM is part of a development process. The classic cartoon is http://keremkosaner.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/softwaredevelopment.gif and CCP have to take some steps to overcome those problems. By selecting the most 'useful' of the candidates we put forward CCP are able to mitigate the problem in the first cell. Our aim is to get to the last cell, not to make a stand for the principles of democracy.
You should also remember that CCP will consider the people that are entirely absent from the process, the CSM is not the only source of input for the development process. I think James would be foaming at the mouth if he ever realised that.

James seems to make clear that he considers his organisation to be an ego massage device. We can see here on these forums that there are plenty of vocal members of his organisation eloquent enough to maintain its ramblings in his absence; the only difference would be that he wasn’t the centre of attention. As for the NDA it seems hard not to be bound by one and be on the internet these days, as with any agreement it services both sides, they do provide certain restrictions but it is perfectly possible to express yourself without breaching them. James seems to complain that he would be unable to post publically if he doesn’t like something that is in development, as if he hasn’t realised the point of the position or the constraints of how it has to work.
He attempts to claim that making no difference at all is better than making some, with that attitude it is clear that a vote for him would have been a waste anyway so by stepping aside he has at least made it more likely that his supporters will have some representation.