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[I-RED] Ishuk-Raata Evacuates Assets from Caldari Prime

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Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-03-21 07:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Ms. or Mrs. Oniseki,

I was wondering what decision you had reached about our alliance. If you would be so kind to make it public.

It appears our relations have worsened because you claim we support terrorism but the same time the Caldari State is a terrorist nation as we can clearly see in the events of the battle for the liberation of Caldari Prime.

Since technically we both support terrorism there should not be any reason for things to go sour between us.

Sincerely,

Major General Mekhana

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2013-03-21 08:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Mekhana wrote:
Ms. or Mrs. Oniseki,

I was wondering what decision you had reached about our alliance. If you would be so kind to make it public.

It appears our relations have worsened because you claim we support terrorism but the same time the Caldari State is a terrorist nation as we can clearly see in the events of the battle for the liberation of Caldari Prime.

Since technically we both support terrorism there should not be any reason for things to go sour between us.

Sincerely,

Major General Mekhana


This is neither the appropriate venue nor the appropriate method for diplomatic discourse.

Katrina Oniseki

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-03-21 08:16:54 UTC
Very well then.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2013-03-21 09:36:42 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Ms. or Mrs. Oniseki,

I was wondering what decision you had reached about our alliance. If you would be so kind to make it public.

It appears our relations have worsened because you claim we support terrorism but the same time the Caldari State is a terrorist nation as we can clearly see in the events of the battle for the liberation of Caldari Prime.

Since technically we both support terrorism there should not be any reason for things to go sour between us.

Sincerely,

Major General Mekhana


This is neither the appropriate venue nor the appropriate method for diplomatic discourse.


Indeed, I'd say that your 'ally' has just cost you more in diplomatic capital with State Loyalists than any arrangement could be worth.

I hope you'll be available for comment when I've spoken to my seniors.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-03-21 09:57:57 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Keitunen Eto wrote:
A smart move. As important as home is one must step back. Home must be a military state. We need more defenders than civilians there. We should move as many out while we can. Good work.


Are you suggesting the State should remove Federal civilians from the surface of the planet and install a permanent military junta to maintain control?

If Federal civilians will be permanently removed, there won't be need in military control anymore.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2013-03-21 10:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Ms. or Mrs. Oniseki,

I was wondering what decision you had reached about our alliance. If you would be so kind to make it public.

It appears our relations have worsened because you claim we support terrorism but the same time the Caldari State is a terrorist nation as we can clearly see in the events of the battle for the liberation of Caldari Prime.

Since technically we both support terrorism there should not be any reason for things to go sour between us.

Sincerely,

Major General Mekhana


This is neither the appropriate venue nor the appropriate method for diplomatic discourse.


Indeed, I'd say that your 'ally' has just cost you more in diplomatic capital with State Loyalists than any arrangement could be worth.

I hope you'll be available for comment when I've spoken to my seniors.


Ishuk-Raata is under no form of agreement, alliance, or other negotiations with Sicarius Draconis, nor have we entertained any.

I will not go into further detail here. As I said to Mekhana, this is neither the proper method nor venue for diplomatic discourse. If you have questions, you are invited to contact me directly through NEOCOM.

Those who jump to conclusions before consulting us through the proper private channels do themselves a disservice.

Katrina Oniseki

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#27 - 2013-03-21 10:31:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

If Federal civilians will be permanently removed, there won't be need in military control anymore.


Ideology aside, this is simply false.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#28 - 2013-03-21 10:46:08 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Perhaps then you can see the wisdom of the Federation moving Federation civilians out for the duration of this conflict.

Nobody in this thread has mentioned the State moving Federation civilians but you.


I was not aware that it was possible for any Federal groups or groups backed by the Union to actually go down to that planet to do anything at all, least of all extract anyone.

And I am in serious disbelief of the idea that the State would move anyone of them out.

Aquila Shadow wrote:
If the Federation would like civilians to be pulled out without being directly involved they are more then welcome to contact myself or the hundred other PMC forces operating on Caldari Prime. We an arrange safe passage to another planet in the system. There is no point in getting more people killed in attacks like the one on Shintoko Tower.

I would suggest another contractor as MSC is are currently inundated with contracts to evacuate Caldari civilians of the planet and transporting food, water and medical supplies to the ground.


You lie. You must be. I see no way you have the sort of pull where State forces or licensed groups under them will simply go and extract anyone from the planet at your bidding.

Aelisha wrote:
*Propaganda and biased drivel*


Nice speech. Moving.

I'm sure you practiced long to deliver this.

Or perhaps not.

Can I expect something more from you than the usual, Aelisha?

Evi Polevhia wrote:
*utterly worthless*


So you care about people's lives, Sansha? I would invite you then to cancel any clone contract you have and take a nice long walk.

Out the nearest air-lock.


Vincent Pryce wrote:
*Delicious irony*


Doubly ironic - An Angel complains that a Nation supporter sheds crocodile-tears. I would extend to you the same offer as I did the Sansha, though I wonder at times why I care to do so.

It's not like you will do the rest of us such a favor anytime soon.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2013-03-21 11:11:54 UTC
Bloodbird, the only annoyance your infantile attempts at discourse (long though they are) have caused, is the realisation that my assessment of your character as an educated man from a single post was wrong. This only proves that I should have checked through your history, rather than taking a diamond in the rough at face value, a lesson I will take to heart.

As for the rest, you're a pretty typical creature - demand factual, evidence backed statements, claiming you do so, with no evidence of such. Simply put, you like the sound of your own voice, and I wish the both of you all the happiness in the world.

As for my fellow Caldari, I stand by my earlier words. This is a time of trials, of hearts exposed to the world or hardened into ice by refusal to realise the gravity of the situation we are in. I-RED demonstrates their commitment to their people, their civilians and their view of how the State should operate. No capsuleer organisation, nor any megacorporation, can claim to represent the State, but we, to an individual, represent facets of it. Today I-RED show that they are exemplary humanitarians. How will they account for themselves when the time comes to defend this world? None can say, the future is fluid and any one entity is still the result of uncountable minute forces at work within. We should all think hard about the lens through which we wish our peers to see us, but bear in mind that wishes are often shattered by realities. Only in this way can we steel ourselves for the hard road ahead.

Do not listen to those who say that you are wrong to feel in this situation. Do not act in such a way as to validate baseless attacks on the very fabric of our society by a Federation that means to push our home to the very brink of destruction. We may disagree on the extremes of our society, and even more so on the potential ways for this situation to go horrendously wrong for all involved. But we are Caldari, and when the dust settles, for better or worse, all we have is our shared culture and the guilt and/or relief of knowing that the ways we chose to act in the name of our State were visible on the largest of stages. I urge you, my peers, to feel with an intensity not known since your ancestors were forced from their homes. I cannot ever possibly know how hot that fire burns within you, even though I too am touched by our plight.

The weapons of our enemies are many; be they spoken, hurled or propelled through the void. Do not allow them the purchase in your minds, they have on your home world. Aim for the impossible, a Caldari home world and a clean conscience, knowing that the compromise between the two may be the hardest choice you will ever make.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-03-21 11:28:06 UTC
At any moment the time for talking may be over and the time for action upon us. I hope that each of us will remember our duty in the hard times to come - duties not just to our kirjuun and our stockholders but to the mass of Citizens upon whose shoulders we stand.

Yes, we have to be compassionate, but be compassionate universally and, above all, remember that you'll have to face your ancestors when the dust settles.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-03-21 11:31:22 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
Do not listen to those who say that you are wrong to feel in this situation. Do not act in such a way as to validate baseless attacks on the very fabric of our society by a Federation that means to push our home to the very brink of destruction.


I have nothing to say regarding your overall message to your peers, words of encouragement and support are necessary in times of distress.

What I do have to speak on is this little item hidden within it. The Federation is not the entity pushing at the moment, the Federation has tolerated the existence of a titan and your "Home Security" fleet for half a decade while its own citizens on Caldari Prime are held at gunpoint by the same fleet.

The Federation has attempted negotiation, which has been denied by the current leadership of the State.

The situation on the planet's surface is an unfortunate one, for both sides of the conflict. I extend my condolences to anyone that has or will suffer loss because of this situation.

You need not bury within your message a pointing finger at the Federation, a message of encouragement would have been enough.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-03-21 11:45:24 UTC
BloodBird wrote:


You lie. You must be. I see no way you have the sort of pull where State forces or licensed groups under them will simply go and extract anyone from the planet at your bidding.



Oh ye of little faith.

MSC has personnel and orbital facilities on Caldari Prime and we would be able to assist in evacuating sick or wounded Federal citizens if we were contracted to do so. We will not however assist those that have contact with or are assisting with the campaign against the Provist Occupation Authority, this would violate our contract with the State.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#33 - 2013-03-21 12:19:38 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Aelisha wrote:
*Propaganda and biased drivel*


Nice speech. Moving.

I'm sure you practiced long to deliver this.

Or perhaps not.

Can I expect something more from you than the usual, Aelisha?


Aelisha wrote:
Bloodbird, the only annoyance your infantile attempts at discourse...


No. No I guess not.

Aelisha wrote:
I am glad to hear of your good work in evacuating these individuals Oniseki-haani.

Ground fighting seems to be intensifying and the presence of clone soldiers is only catalysing the issue, though what choice does either side have when one would otherwise reap the benefits of unstoppable men and women on the surface? To this end, I urge my friends, former employees and allies in a variety of high profile mercenary operations to consider the importance of Caldari Prime as a world of heritage, of pride and of Caldari ownership.(1)The Federation acts out of spite,(2)these partisan attacks driven by shameless, suicide inducing propaganda(3), because what else is this, if not a charge into the guns of immortals?

I-RED, fellow Caldari. I am not one for throwing the first punch, nor any punches usually, such is the nature of my work. But I have been training, my friends are listening and I will do my level best to stand with you when the time to defend your home comes.

Let Caldari Prime be a sign, home worlds are not up for grabs(4). We may not prevail, but we'll damned sure show that we as Caldari capsuleers will not go quietly. We are not the murderers, animals and psychotics that give our kind such a bad name, we are husbands, wives, children and more. We are comrades, despite our differences, the moment Federation vessels appear on grid at the picket fleet. We are Caldari, and I am proud I chose to count myself among you.


1) Caldari ownership indeed. The indigenous population that has remained on Caladri Prime for centuries after you left it behind. You of course, meant State ownership. The usual.

2) Of course we do. Because defending yourself from invaders or daring to fight back in a war is completely unforgivable when your opponent is the Caldari State. It's the usual.

3) Again, fighting against invaders and re-claiming your homes is unforgivable when the enemy is the Caldari State. The usual thing.

4) Indeed, homeworlds are not up for grabs. Except in the case of the Caldari State, having returned to try and grab it from the local population once again. But this is a non-issue to the State's people because obviously, the locals are squatters and count for nothing when the State returns to enforce THEIR claims. Who cares what others think? It's the usual thing all over again.

The usual thing in this case, being State-supporter's inability to see any view-point beyond their own., any argument beyond their own, and claims of ownership or rights, beyond their own.

How is anyone to try to be diplomatic with those who can't even try to immerse themselves in the complexity of the situation before them, opting instead for "we are right, thus you are wrong." ?

Aquila Shadow wrote:
MSC has personnel and orbital facilities on Caldari Prime and we would be able to assist in evacuating sick or wounded Federal citizens if we were contracted to do so. We will not however assist those that have contact with or are assisting with the campaign against the Provist Occupation Authority, this would violate our contract with the State.


Excellent. You may begin then by evacuating any civilians in the two cities the majority of the fighting rages in, who desires to leave. The less people around where bullets are flying the less collateral casualties we have.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-03-21 12:20:30 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

I will not go into further detail here. As I said to Mekhana, this is neither the proper method nor venue for diplomatic discourse. If you have questions, you are invited to contact me directly through NEOCOM.

Those who jump to conclusions before consulting us through the proper private channels do themselves a disservice.


There is no need to go into further detail - a statement such as this is more than sufficient.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#35 - 2013-03-21 13:36:31 UTC
Evacuating non-caldari, non-citizen civilians without the explicit permission of local authorities will be impossible. And you can bet that there won't be a permission incoming.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2013-03-21 13:47:41 UTC
Then don't ask for permission. If people want out, they'll get the hell out one way or the other. Just have a means ready to get them in orbit. What do you think I've been doing the past few weeks?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#37 - 2013-03-21 13:52:26 UTC
Most likely a huge difference.
That or assisting the insurgents.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anslo
Scope Works
#38 - 2013-03-21 13:54:26 UTC
Yeah sure, because I love helping one side kill people while telling the other side it's wrong.

Right.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2013-03-21 13:56:54 UTC
It is better to beg forgiveness, than ask permission in this case.

I doubt IFF tech will withstand the usual ewar considerations, and it is pretty clear that partisan tactics are at work. It;s going to get fairly messy when things boil over and every building with an intact front-wall becomes 'strategically vital' in street fighting. Homes, shops, it doesn't matter. Every slab of concrete, brick and mortar is a potential life saver when the going gets tough, and damn the inhabitants. Bloodbath is a term that utterly fails to describe what unmitigated surface warfare could lead to.

Anyone who can engage in some effort to lift civilians should be doing so. Were that I blessed with the connections planet side to do so, I would be doing the same.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-21 14:06:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Yeah sure, because I love helping one side kill people while telling the other side it's wrong.

Right.

I'm not directly accusing you. But I have to say that sort of thing does seem to be a popular pastime for many capsuleers.
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