Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because he doesn't have a good grasp of the game mechanics or the basic idea behind this game.

Take for example his claim that a titan bridge can use a covert ops cyno. Only a Black Ops can lock onto a covert ops cyno. I pointed this out to him and he completely failed to acknowledge it.

He also seems to have a hard on for stealth bombers and he always references them. When I point out that his changes would also likely impact force recons, transport ships, covert ops, and strategic cruisers configured for covert work he ignores it.

He has a very limited narrow view and he wants to fix something that he sees wrong in that limited narrow view and is unwilling to consider that these suggested "fixes" would have negative consequences for other forms of play outside his view range.

Take for example his statements about black ops work. He thinks it takes zero effort. Okay, if you have a ship pointed, a cyno lit and the rest of the gang has cynoed in...yeah that ship is almost surely dead. But that is like saying getting a PhD is easy and reference only going to the graduation ceremony and ignoring the years and years of schooling, studying and test taking and original research that went into the PhD

but, he not lieing, you can't open a cyno while cloaked, a covert ops cyno can only be used by blops, the problem is, is that we are trying to tell you how really works in game, but you fail to acknowledged it, you clam that you know what you are doing, but you constantly point out the fact that you don't.

You claim we are trolling you and lying to you when we are not, I want to define something for you mate.

A newbie is someone that is new to a game or TOPIC but is willing to have his/her view points change and willing to accept the fact that he/she might of been wrong and willing to learn from those mistakes.

A noob/nOOb/nub is someone that is new to a game or TOPIC but outright refuses to accept their views are wrong, and despite this view being wrong, takes the mentality that it your way or highway.

You my friend fall under the noob area.

Let's put it this way: If a certain proposal listed in the OP is implemented, then you will be able to bridge while cloaked. I have said nothing otherwise. And it is Teckos who assumed that I did not already see that certain changes would affect not only stealth bombers but also "force recons, transport ships, covert ops, and strategic cruisers configured for covert work." You both should read more carefully before you find yourselves playing the trolls and eating your own words. I'll let you correct the rest of your own misunderstandings.

If you want to go back and modify previous posts and not tell anyone that is fine. But then to call others trolls and liars based on this points out what a complete jerk you are.

Andy has gone back and updated his "proposals". For example, #2 is way, way over powered...and I like stealth bombers, BLOPs and the like. But what he is tossing out there to get people to buy into the rest of his stuff is just too much.



In other words, with a covert ops cloak you can:

light a covert cyno,
target,
shoot,
point,
etc.

Your opponent on the other hand can do nothing...because you are cloaked.

Of course, you can no longer activate prob mods so bring a scram.

Oh and you wont show up in local either.

Let the slaughter begin.....

I think...the whole thing is such a horrifying jumble of bad ideas and shifting between a cov ops cloak and covert cyno vs. regular cyno I can't be 100% sure.

So let see if I get the new proposal

Under this if I am in a stealth bomber with a covert ops cloak and a covert ops cyno gen I can (once cloaked):

Not show up in local....
Warp around and d-scan to my hearts content...
Find a guy unaware I am now in system....
Get in nice and close on him, say 5,000 meters,
Lock him,
Scram him,
Web him,
Start shooting him,

All while cloaked--i.e. he has no way to uncloak me (assuming I maintain the minimum distance--hence the web)?

Have I go that right?

Does anybody else see this as just a wee bit unbalanced?

He's not trolling or lying to you, he's explaining the actual mechanics of which you seem to have no knowledge. He's helping you.

Sounds like my first foray into low sec in a **** fit thorax...ahh good times....

If you look at how that paragraph began, it started with the words "if you read the proposal" so obviously I implied that the blops would bridge cloaked under my proposal. Never said otherwise. My response is only nonseqeuter if you did not follow the explanation that getting a cyno into system, if the speed nerf is added for covert cyno fit, would be best accomplished by bringing it in through a covert cyno. The cyno fitted Arazu would not enter through the stargate, but would bridge to a covert cyno lit by a ship not fitted with a regular cyno. I know some people do not like nerfs to cloakies, but without nerfs, cloaky camping with cynos fitted will continue to project immense threat with no risk. How much effort? If afk, then zero, otherwise simply 1) warp to target and position, 2) decloak, 3) point, and 4) light cyno. 4 easy steps. So, little to no effort required.



No, Teckos, you did not get it right. I advised you earlier to read carefully because you were not processing the ideas correctly/completely. Take note of the underlined parts of the quote in your (Teckos') last post:


Still not following? The proposal only allows a cloaked ship to aggress while cloaked another cloaked ship. Read carefully or your criticism just looks like you cannot process the idea. And no, I am not changing any of the ideas. You can even look at the quotes on other people's posts. The idea remains the same, even if the wording is clarified a little.

Edit:
You might be surprised to learn that the idea of cloakies fighting cloakies while cloaked actually come from my reading of the last two paragraphs of your (Teckos') post #139 and from another post talking about a defensive fleet on a gate with cloaked ships prepared to intercept any cloakies bringing in cynos:


PS: They would AFK cloak after the local disconnect because they can still 1) dscan, 2) Warp to non-cloaked ships, 3) decloak and cyno, 4) project the force while cloaked and afk even if no one can see them because it disrupts all activities when everyone knows that they can do it without being seen and with little effort or risk. So that solution is obviously not enough by itself, and by itself will likely actually worsen the issue laid out in this thread's title to the delight of all the pvpers who want easy kills. Since stealth bombers do have a bonus to targeting after decloaking, it makes sense not to change that.

Yeah there's not much point even replying to that kind of person. He's entirely ignorant of basic mechanics and when anyone tries to explain them he edits his posts and then rants at them. Another pointless thread.

He'll never accept facts guys. He will always avoid the most pertinent posts.

Time to let this one die.